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#7719 [2005-09-25 23:22:14]

Phoenix menuke

by g3mneye

Hi everyone:
Don't mean to be a pain but I'll have to ask this question again. Was
the phoenix a popular character used for menuke in katana in Japan? If
not popular was it ever used at all? Does anyone know? I've searched
but to no avail.
Thank you,
Rod

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#7720 [2005-09-26 03:46:51]

Re: Phoenix menuke

by thomas_tessera

In a study of horimono - the engravings on sword blades - over 95%
illustrated concepts from mikkyo (esoteric Buddhism), the rest were
neutral scenes of flowers, animals, scenery.

The first task is to locate the Japanese equivalent of the Phoenix -
the Ho-Oo? Then consider its meaning, and any relevance that might
have for the engraver.

The answer might be a 'yes,' but I don't think the Japanese myth
includes the aspect of rising from the ashes as we have it in the west?

Thomas

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#7722 [2005-09-26 02:14:29]

Re: [samuraihistory] Phoenix menuke

by Clive Sinclaire

The phoenix or Ho-ho is sometimes found on sword fittings. According to
Joly's Legend in Japanese Art, it is emblamic of Imperial authority.
Clive Sinclaire
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> Hi everyone:
> Don't mean to be a pain but I'll have to ask this question again. Was
> the phoenix a popular character used for menuke in katana in Japan? If
> not popular was it ever used at all? Does anyone know? I've searched
> but to no avail.
> Thank you,
> Rod
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#7723 [2005-09-26 15:24:11]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Phoenix menuke

by chunjouonimusha

In a message dated 9/26/2005 3:47:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
tom.davidson@... writes:
In a study of horimono - the engravings on sword blades - over 95%
illustrated concepts from mikkyo (esoteric Buddhism), the rest were
neutral scenes of flowers, animals, scenery.
Interesting post Thomas; one may I ask where you got that information -
Book or website and if ither would you or could you share this with me? I would
very much like to read up on this.. I am kinda of a Taoaist buddhist zen
person lol.... all rolled up in one.. and since they are very much alike in many
ways... Also could you tell us more about this creature.. I think there are
those of us who would be interested. .

Also I am wondering if anyone has seen the moive Twightlight Samuria.? My
son and I watched this last night and found it to be very good.


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#7726 [2005-09-27 13:53:13]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Phoenix menuke

by g3mneye

Thank you Thomas your information helps.

Thomas Davidson <tom.davidson@...> wrote:In a study of horimono - the engravings on sword blades - over 95%
illustrated concepts from mikkyo (esoteric Buddhism), the rest were
neutral scenes of flowers, animals, scenery.

The first task is to locate the Japanese equivalent of the Phoenix -
the Ho-Oo? Then consider its meaning, and any relevance that might
have for the engraver.

The answer might be a 'yes,' but I don't think the Japanese myth
includes the aspect of rising from the ashes as we have it in the west?

Thomas




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#7727 [2005-09-27 05:23:56]

Re: [samuraihistory] Phoenix menuke

by Barry Thomas

Rod - I used to once own a pair of Phoenix menuki. As Clive said, the Hôô bird
is indeed found in Japanese sword fittings, but it is far from commonly
encountered. Perhaps we could take this offline?? What books have you
searched??

Regards,

Barry Thomas.

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From: "Rod Pavez" <grfkboyz@...>
To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:22 PM
Subject: [samuraihistory] Phoenix menuke


Hi everyone:
Don't mean to be a pain but I'll have to ask this question again. Was
the phoenix a popular character used for menuke in katana in Japan? If
not popular was it ever used at all? Does anyone know? I've searched
but to no avail.
Thank you,
Rod

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#7729 [2005-09-27 20:24:57]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Phoenix menuke

by johntwo8

HAI, I know what you guys are talking about now. I have one on my fav sword. GOD BLESS YOU ALL

Love, Grace, and Peace


ROD PAVEZ <grfkboyz@...> wrote:
Thank you Thomas your information helps.

Thomas Davidson <tom.davidson@...> wrote:In a study of horimono - the engravings on sword blades - over 95%
illustrated concepts from mikkyo (esoteric Buddhism), the rest were
neutral scenes of flowers, animals, scenery.

The first task is to locate the Japanese equivalent of the Phoenix -
the Ho-Oo? Then consider its meaning, and any relevance that might
have for the engraver.

The answer might be a 'yes,' but I don't think the Japanese myth
includes the aspect of rising from the ashes as we have it in the west?

Thomas




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#7730 [2005-09-28 13:51:15]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Phoenix menuke

by g3mneye

Hello:
You're saying you have a phoenix menuke on your sword or just the menuke?
Bye,
Rod

james wilson <johntwo8@...> wrote:
HAI, I know what you guys are talking about now. I have one on my fav sword. GOD BLESS YOU ALL

Love, Grace, and Peace


ROD PAVEZ <grfkboyz@...> wrote:
Thank you Thomas your information helps.

Thomas Davidson <tom.davidson@...> wrote:In a study of horimono - the engravings on sword blades - over 95%
illustrated concepts from mikkyo (esoteric Buddhism), the rest were
neutral scenes of flowers, animals, scenery.

The first task is to locate the Japanese equivalent of the Phoenix -
the Ho-Oo? Then consider its meaning, and any relevance that might
have for the engraver.

The answer might be a 'yes,' but I don't think the Japanese myth
includes the aspect of rising from the ashes as we have it in the west?

Thomas




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#7731 [2005-09-28 13:53:22]

Re: [samuraihistory] Phoenix menuke

by g3mneye

Yes Barry that's fine with me if you want to take the conversation offline to further discuss the subject of the phoenix.
Thank you,
Rod

Barry Thomas <warlord@...> wrote:
Rod - I used to once own a pair of Phoenix menuki. As Clive said, the Hôô bird
is indeed found in Japanese sword fittings, but it is far from commonly
encountered. Perhaps we could take this offline?? What books have you
searched??

Regards,

Barry Thomas.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Pavez" <grfkboyz@...>
To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:22 PM
Subject: [samuraihistory] Phoenix menuke


Hi everyone:
Don't mean to be a pain but I'll have to ask this question again. Was
the phoenix a popular character used for menuke in katana in Japan? If
not popular was it ever used at all? Does anyone know? I've searched
but to no avail.
Thank you,
Rod




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#7734 [2005-09-29 08:34:09]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Phoenix menuke

by johntwo8

No i apologize on mine is a dragon not a Phenix at all.

Love, Grace, and Peace

ROD PAVEZ <grfkboyz@...> wrote:
Hello:
You're saying you have a phoenix menuke on your sword or just the menuke?
Bye,
Rod

james wilson <johntwo8@...> wrote:
HAI, I know what you guys are talking about now. I have one on my fav sword. GOD BLESS YOU ALL

Love, Grace, and Peace


ROD PAVEZ <grfkboyz@...> wrote:
Thank you Thomas your information helps.

Thomas Davidson <tom.davidson@...> wrote:In a study of horimono - the engravings on sword blades - over 95%
illustrated concepts from mikkyo (esoteric Buddhism), the rest were
neutral scenes of flowers, animals, scenery.

The first task is to locate the Japanese equivalent of the Phoenix -
the Ho-Oo? Then consider its meaning, and any relevance that might
have for the engraver.

The answer might be a 'yes,' but I don't think the Japanese myth
includes the aspect of rising from the ashes as we have it in the west?

Thomas




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