Michael -
I think you've expressed Nate's essential philosophical view here, in fact, and rather better than he's done so far. And you make a very good case for it. But I truly don't think it's projection. (For that matter, I tend to think the same of feline and canine emotions: they're not the same as human emotions, to be sure, but as far as I can tell, they're not as far removed from it as a lot of folks seem to think, either.) I could be mistaken, to be sure, but I've experimented with the possibility of projection - it is, after all, the most culturally obvious one - and it simply doesn't feel right. It doesn't seem to accurately describe the sensations that take place in a sword's proximity, let alone in the handling. More close to the mark might be - note I say "might" - the idea that we are capable of endowing objects technically regarded as inanimate with a certain degree of self and spirit, under certain circumstances. That's one I'm not quite prepared to swallow, myself, but I acknowledge that it could be the case. If this is projection, however, it's a lasting variety well beyond the ordinary usage of the term.
However, I appreciate the voice of moderation.
Gereg
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:21:00 +0700
From: "Michael Peters" <
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Subject: RE: swords (was ...Eras)
>If you want to argue that a sword has "spirit" as any
>piece of art would, I'll buy it. If you tell me your
>sword talks to you, you're nuts. Sorry.
>
Nate,
A little strong I'd say. Let's take a different approach. You pick up
*something* that you are trained to handle. The weight, balance and feel are
perfect for *you*, not in any way you can express. Something subliminal.
Then that object *speaks* to you. I know I felt that way the first time I
picked up a Glock 19 (and proceeded to put an extended clip in a silver
dollar sized circle at 30 yards. Some of my best shooting ever). Sure a
standard issue M1911A1 will do the job, but it doesn't feel the same. For
the same reason I haven't bought a takeyumi at Asahi. Nothing there *spoke*
to me. As a craftsman, lots of things *speak* to me on some level. I expect
it's projection, like people ascribing human emotions to thier pets.
I wouldn't worry about it unless the gollum conversations begin. ;)
M.J.Peters
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:23:05 -0800 (PST)
From: mark kd <
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Subject: Re: The Last Samurai, the movie. To: Tony Bryant
hello tony,
com'on man,...it was pretty good.?? I've seen a handful "samurai" movies in the past, (and yes, they might portray samurai a little better) but this is the 2000's, not the 1900's (lol). People like to see cool stuff like the Last Samurai even if it isn't all that accurate. You can't tell me you've seen any better Samurai "battle" scenes in another movies from the past?? (if so, please let me know so i can watch them). I think it was a great movie to boost the Samurai history for people of today. It taught a lot of people to respect them for who they were/are. I know my friends,(who hate history stuff & think i'm a dork for liking it) thought it was an awesome movie. They were like...."Wow, those guys could really kick butt" I don't know,....maybe i'm wrong??? All i know is that the movie gave me even more insentive to practice kendo and TRY to make my own samurai armour(still in the making,....delayed temp. b/c of my newborn 2 weeks old). Tony, just watch it again and tell me that
those battle scenes don't want to make you get up, build a time machine, go back to yrs.1300-1600, join a samurai clan(hopefully a good one), and fight in a huge battle!!!!!!!!!! Plus, Japanese back then were only like 4ft. tall so you already got a huge hieght advantage(lol). Well, my times up. Have a good one.
Yours,
Mark
Anthony Bryant <
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mark kd wrote:
> if you buy the movie book(or just go to your local book store and look at
> it), it will tell you what is accurate and what is not(to some extent). I
> have the DVD w/ the directors comentary and extra stuff on a 2nd cd, & it
> goes into some detail on the realness of the movie.
They have some nerve doing so.
> They said that 1/2 is
> fake & 1/2 is not.
They lie. There is so much that's wrong with it historically that I almost
cried. Yeah, the armour's pretty. Yeah, the battles are fancy. But historically
it was totally crapola.
Frankly, I'd think that Watanabe Ken and Sanada Hiroyuki ought to be
embarrassed. They've each made dozens of films -- some crappy, some really good
-- and the one they get international reputations for is this American "Dances
With Samurai" piece of steaming, fetid poop.
I finally caught it on HBO last night, after months and months of refusing to go
pay to see it, rent it, or buy it.
It made me sick.
Tony
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 22:27:45 -0700
From: James Hisatake <
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Subject: Re: The Last Samurai, the movie.
I have hardly earned the right to address this forum. However, I would
like to point out a book entitled "The Last Samurai" by Professor Mark
Ravina(sp?). I believe that this book gives an albeit abbreviated
synopsis of the actual events.
Sincerely,
James Hisatake
On Dec 13, 2004, at 3:04 PM, mark kd wrote:
>
>
> if you buy the movie book(or just go to your local book store and look
> at it), it will tell you what is accurate and what is not(to some
> extent). I have the DVD w/ the directors comentary and extra stuff on
> a 2nd cd, & it goes into some detail on the realness of the movie.
> They said that 1/2 is fake & 1/2 is not.I can't really tell which is
> which, but it was a great movie in my mind. I take kendo & are into
> samurai swords and armour, that's maybe why it was good to me? All in
> all, don't tell one of the samurai actors in the movie it was cheesy
> b/c they all knew what they were doing(all of them were trained to use
> swords ie...kendo,iaido.....)good stuff!!!
> Yours,
> Mark
>
> "david a. sigler" <fiat_dux_das@...> wrote:
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>
> I just got done finally watching the movie the "Last Samurai." I
> found it so tediously dull it isn't funny; Tom Cruz cannot act and I
> don't care who tries to convince me otherwise. The battle scenes were
> great, the scenery was fairly good, but the movie was bad. My
> question is a simple one, what, if any of it, was historically
> accurate?
> david a sigler
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