Weapons of Ninjas

A dumb question for you which IS slightly off topic. What do you call
the twin tantos used by Raphael in the anime 'Teenage Mutant Ninja
Turtles'? We need to know for our fanfiction. Arigato for your help-
K&K

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A dumb question for you which IS slightly off topic.
What do you call
the twin tantos used by Raphael in the anime 'Teenage
Mutant Ninja
Turtles'? We need to know for our fanfiction. Arigato
for your help-
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keiman0 wrote:

> A dumb question for you which IS slightly off topic. What do you call
> the twin tantos used by Raphael in the anime 'Teenage Mutant Ninja
> Turtles'? We need to know for our fanfiction. Arigato for your help-

"the fake Japanese weapons used by cartoon turtles in a badly researched
American kiddie excuse for Japanese cultural stuff."

Tony

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If I'm not wrong Raphael uses two SAI...
I hope this helps!
Daniele

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keiman0 wrote:

> A dumb question for you which IS slightly off topic. What do you call
> the twin tantos used by Raphael in the anime 'Teenage Mutant Ninja
> Turtles'? We need to know for our fanfiction. Arigato for your help-

"the fake Japanese weapons used by cartoon turtles in a badly researched
American kiddie excuse for Japanese cultural stuff."

Tony

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Kool!

But you have to remember...Sai = Okinawan Weaponry...not ninja!


ninja Weapons...to name a few...
1. Shuko and Ashiko
2. Sinbo
3. Kusari gama
4. shaken and shuriken...

though they were used almost by anyone, I believe the ninja made
these few very famous...

Well, the ichimonji no kamae is a "traditional" ninja
posture...guess what...what is the weapon they hold in hands??

Anyone have an opinion?


Later...

Sorry... I'm very unlearned ^_^
Somebody tells me if "Kunai" is Ninja weapon?

Thanks!

elisa



--- "Ignacio R. Moreira" <kanchoshihan@...>
wrote:

> Kool!
>
> But you have to remember...Sai = Okinawan
> Weaponry...not ninja!
>
>
> ninja Weapons...to name a few...
> 1. Shuko and Ashiko
> 2. Sinbo
> 3. Kusari gama
> 4. shaken and shuriken...
>
> though they were used almost by anyone, I believe
> the ninja made
> these few very famous...
>
> Well, the ichimonji no kamae is a "traditional"
> ninja
> posture...guess what...what is the weapon they hold
> in hands??
>
> Anyone have an opinion?
>
>
> Later...
>
>

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Daniele is correct they are called Sai and Raphael did uses two.
However they are not Ninja weapons, in actual fact they were
originally farming implements that was used to plant seeds. Now I
don't know when but they got extended for battle and instead of
carrying two they actually carried THREE one in each hand and one
tucked into their belt. When entering battle they would run towards
there enemies throwing one of the sai's at the enemy then drew the
third one ready for combat.
I have 2 pare of Sai's and believe them to be deadly in experienced
hands. Sai's are the ultimate disarming weapons in my opinion.

Whats a sinbo - never heard of that

shuko are not exclusive to Ninja and shuriken/shaken
are also used by Samurai schools. Negishi Ryu ios one
non ninja ryu that teaches it, the list is endless.

Kusarigama were also samurai items as well. Toda Ryu
and Araki ryu are just schools famous for Kusarigama.

Paul


--- "Ignacio R. Moreira" <kanchoshihan@...>
wrote:

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Kool!

But you have to remember...Sai = Okinawan
Weaponry...not ninja!


ninja Weapons...to name a few...
1. Shuko and Ashiko
2. Sinbo
3. Kusari gama
4. shaken and shuriken...

though they were used almost by anyone, I believe the
ninja made
these few very famous...

Well, the ichimonji no kamae is a "traditional" ninja
posture...guess what...what is the weapon they hold in
hands??

Anyone have an opinion?


Later...



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Hi Kunai is a tool used by crafts men of various
labouring proffessions.

When a ninja was employing a disguise (hensojutsu) as
a craftsman that would carry a kunai then he was more
suited to have this at his side than a sword or tanto.
Less possibility of attracting attention to him self.

In one of the shinobi no mono movies there is a great
scene where a ninja uses the kunai to chip the mortar
away from around a window to gain entry.

I would say you have more chance a ninja would use it
as a tool/weapon than a smaurai. But at the end of the
day you would pick up anything lying around to use in
a situation if needed.

Paul Richardson



--- elisa <ombraegrazia@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
Sorry... I'm very unlearned ^_^
Somebody tells me if "Kunai" is Ninja weapon?

Thanks!

elisa



--- "Ignacio R. Moreira" <kanchoshihan@...>
wrote:

> Kool!
>
> But you have to remember...Sai = Okinawan
> Weaponry...not ninja!
>
>
> ninja Weapons...to name a few...
> 1. Shuko and Ashiko
> 2. Sinbo
> 3. Kusari gama
> 4. shaken and shuriken...
>
> though they were used almost by anyone, I believe
> the ninja made
> these few very famous...
>
> Well, the ichimonji no kamae is a "traditional"
> ninja
> posture...guess what...what is the weapon they hold
> in hands??
>
> Anyone have an opinion?
>
>
> Later...
>
>

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Arigato Danielle for your info. At least someone doesn't think this a poorly
researched anime! I have found it to be most historically accurate. Another
good one is Code Lyoko which means to take a trip or journey which is just
what the characters in it do-travel to a virtual world to stop XANA a
computer trying to destroy Earth! See ya soon-K&K

>From: Daniele Frison <eriel666@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Weapons of Ninjas
>Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:22:51 -0700 (PDT)
>
>If I'm not wrong Raphael uses two SAI...
>I hope this helps!
>Daniele
>
>"Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:
>keiman0 wrote:
>
> > A dumb question for you which IS slightly off topic. What do you call
> > the twin tantos used by Raphael in the anime 'Teenage Mutant Ninja
> > Turtles'? We need to know for our fanfiction. Arigato for your help-
>
>"the fake Japanese weapons used by cartoon turtles in a badly researched
>American kiddie excuse for Japanese cultural stuff."
>
>Tony
>
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so, Lord Zev, you think SAI are like an evolute type of JITTE?

zevlord <LordZev@...> wrote:Daniele is correct they are called Sai and Raphael did uses two.
However they are not Ninja weapons, in actual fact they were
originally farming implements that was used to plant seeds. Now I
don't know when but they got extended for battle and instead of
carrying two they actually carried THREE one in each hand and one
tucked into their belt. When entering battle they would run towards
there enemies throwing one of the sai's at the enemy then drew the
third one ready for combat.
I have 2 pare of Sai's and believe them to be deadly in experienced
hands. Sai's are the ultimate disarming weapons in my opinion.




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I always seen kunai used by those phantomatic ninja..
Kunai is a sort of knife (A SORT OF!!) but I don't know if also samurai used it.
Actually one should know how much truth is inside all stories about ninja...probably almost everything we see through films, anime, manga it not refers to truth..but this is only my opinion!
For sure I only can say that I saw an old japanese print about a ninja who was dressed like a normal samurai, so the legend about their clothes I don't think is true.
Probably this mail has any sense at all....
sorry
Daniele

elisa <ombraegrazia@...> wrote:
Sorry... I'm very unlearned ^_^
Somebody tells me if "Kunai" is Ninja weapon?

Thanks!

elisa



--- "Ignacio R. Moreira" <kanchoshihan@...>
wrote:

> Kool!
>
> But you have to remember...Sai = Okinawan
> Weaponry...not ninja!
>
>
> ninja Weapons...to name a few...
> 1. Shuko and Ashiko
> 2. Sinbo
> 3. Kusari gama
> 4. shaken and shuriken...
>
> though they were used almost by anyone, I believe
> the ninja made
> these few very famous...
>
> Well, the ichimonji no kamae is a "traditional"
> ninja
> posture...guess what...what is the weapon they hold
> in hands??
>
> Anyone have an opinion?
>
>
> Later...
>
>

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HI

lord zev makes no mention of Jitte

and I think they are correctly termed - Jutte

Paul


--- Daniele Frison <eriel666@...> wrote:

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so, Lord Zev, you think SAI are like an evolute type
of JITTE?

zevlord <LordZev@...> wrote:Daniele is correct
they are called Sai and Raphael did uses two.
However they are not Ninja weapons, in actual fact
they were
originally farming implements that was used to plant
seeds. Now I
don't know when but they got extended for battle and
instead of
carrying two they actually carried THREE one in each
hand and one
tucked into their belt. When entering battle they
would run towards
there enemies throwing one of the sai's at the enemy
then drew the
third one ready for combat.
I have 2 pare of Sai's and believe them to be deadly
in experienced
hands. Sai's are the ultimate disarming weapons in my
opinion.




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HI

kunai are not knives.

they are metal slabs hammered out to make a type of
trowel. the edges are not even sharp.

the tipes may be pointed but at the end of the day if
your jamming the thing between rocks and into the
earth a sharp edge is a waste of time.

they were used when fighting for striking or jabbing
the way you would with a club or stick.

If I tried to cut with a (knife) kunai then I would
get a friction burn before it cut me.

paul



--- Daniele Frison <eriel666@...> wrote:

---------------------------------
I always seen kunai used by those phantomatic ninja..
Kunai is a sort of knife (A SORT OF!!) but I don't
know if also samurai used it.
Actually one should know how much truth is inside all
stories about ninja...probably almost everything we
see through films, anime, manga it not refers to
truth..but this is only my opinion!
For sure I only can say that I saw an old japanese
print about a ninja who was dressed like a normal
samurai, so the legend about their clothes I don't
think is true.
Probably this mail has any sense at all....
sorry
Daniele

elisa <ombraegrazia@...> wrote:
Sorry... I'm very unlearned ^_^
Somebody tells me if "Kunai" is Ninja weapon?

Thanks!

elisa



--- "Ignacio R. Moreira" <kanchoshihan@...>
wrote:

> Kool!
>
> But you have to remember...Sai = Okinawan
> Weaponry...not ninja!
>
>
> ninja Weapons...to name a few...
> 1. Shuko and Ashiko
> 2. Sinbo
> 3. Kusari gama
> 4. shaken and shuriken...
>
> though they were used almost by anyone, I believe
> the ninja made
> these few very famous...
>
> Well, the ichimonji no kamae is a "traditional"
> ninja
> posture...guess what...what is the weapon they hold
> in hands??
>
> Anyone have an opinion?
>
>
> Later...
>
>

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--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Jack McElwee"
wrote:

> I have found it to be most historically accurate.

In what way?

" Sai's are the ultimate disarming weapons in my opinion"
Jutte weren't an evolution of Sai but were largely used by the
Tokugawa's police, so might be they were found more effective than Sai
against swords.

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Daniele Frison [mailto:eriel666@...]
Inviato: giovedì 15 luglio 2004 14.57
A: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Oggetto: Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Weapons of Ninjas

so, Lord Zev, you think SAI are like an evolute type of JITTE?

zevlord <LordZev@...> wrote:Daniele is correct they are called
Sai and Raphael did uses two.
However they are not Ninja weapons, in actual fact they were
originally farming implements that was used to plant seeds. Now I
don't know when but they got extended for battle and instead of
carrying two they actually carried THREE one in each hand and one
tucked into their belt. When entering battle they would run towards
there enemies throwing one of the sai's at the enemy then drew the
third one ready for combat.
I have 2 pare of Sai's and believe them to be deadly in experienced
hands. Sai's are the ultimate disarming weapons in my opinion.

--- naomasa298 <shanesuebsahakarn@...> wrote:

> --- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Jack
> McElwee"
> wrote:
> > I have found it to be most historically accurate.
>
> In what way?

Naomasa, aren't you familiar with the great Turtles of Koga?



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Hi!
I'm sorry but I don`t know much about the topic.
Could you give me a link where I can learn more about ninja wapons and oriental wapons, but with images???
Thanks

Gaby.

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someone
mexican??

and sorry for my english!!!


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Don't worry... Your mail isn't without sense ^_^

I don't know where're you from, but I think in this
part of world where I'm truth and legend are
confused...

Elisa


--- Daniele Frison <eriel666@...> wrote:

> I always seen kunai used by those phantomatic
> ninja..
> Kunai is a sort of knife (A SORT OF!!) but I don't
> know if also samurai used it.
> Actually one should know how much truth is inside
> all stories about ninja...probably almost everything
> we see through films, anime, manga it not refers to
> truth..but this is only my opinion!
> For sure I only can say that I saw an old japanese
> print about a ninja who was dressed like a normal
> samurai, so the legend about their clothes I don't
> think is true.
> Probably this mail has any sense at all....
> sorry
> Daniele
>
> elisa <ombraegrazia@...> wrote:
> Sorry... I'm very unlearned ^_^
> Somebody tells me if "Kunai" is Ninja weapon?
>
> Thanks!
>
> elisa
>
>
>
> --- "Ignacio R. Moreira" <kanchoshihan@...>
> wrote:
> > Kool!
> >
> > But you have to remember...Sai = Okinawan
> > Weaponry...not ninja!
> >
> >
> > ninja Weapons...to name a few...
> > 1. Shuko and Ashiko
> > 2. Sinbo
> > 3. Kusari gama
> > 4. shaken and shuriken...
> >
> > though they were used almost by anyone, I believe
> > the ninja made
> > these few very famous...
> >
> > Well, the ichimonji no kamae is a "traditional"
> > ninja
> > posture...guess what...what is the weapon they
> hold
> > in hands??
> >
> > Anyone have an opinion?
> >
> >
> > Later...
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:12:07 -0700 (PDT), Richardson Paulさん wrote:

>HI
>
>lord zev makes no mention of Jitte
>
>and I think they are correctly termed - Jutte

It's properly 'jitte'. The word jyuu (10) becomes 'jitsu' じつ or
'jitt' じっ in compound words. For instance the Ten Commandments are
'jikkai' 十戒

--
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HI

as a practioner of a ryu that has JUTTE I will have to
disagree with you on this one (a little bit), only for
its common know name (see link below for your used
name).

When I was allowed to look in the Kukishin ryu densho
the characters used are 十手

A very close friend of mine is a member of the Masaki
Ryu In Japan which is famous for its Jutte and edo
machikata jutte, they use the term Jutte (or at least
he does when discussing the matter with me)

http://www.e-budokai.com/hibuki/jutte.htm this site
has the kanji you use, and its a nice article.

http://www.geocities.com/koryu-bujutsu/tenjikai/meijiu06.html
the name Jitte is used here and this is edo machikata
stuff.

Paul


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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:12:07 -0700 (PDT), Richardson
Paul���� wrote:

>HI
>
>lord zev makes no mention of Jitte
>
>and I think they are correctly termed - Jutte

It's properly 'jitte'. The word jyuu (10) becomes
'jitsu' ���� or
'jitt' ���� in compound words. For instance the Ten
Commandments are
'jikkai' ����

--
Jay Kelly
oyakata@...


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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:06:17 -0700 (PDT), Richardson Paulさん wrote:

>as a practioner of a ryu that has JUTTE I will have to
>disagree with you on this one (a little bit), only for
>its common know name (see link below for your used
>name).

I've had this conversation before -- it looks like you have, too. :)

>When I was allowed to look in the Kukishin ryu densho
>the characters used are 十手

Yes on this we agree. 十手 are the only kanji I've ever seen used to
write this weapon. The kanji I used in my message were 十戒, the
Ten Commandments. I used it as an example to show how ten, which is
pronounced jyuu, becomes jikk in compound words. The Ten Commandments
are not 'jyuu-kai', but rather 'jikkai', Ten minutes are not
'jyuppun', but rather 'jippun', etc.

>A very close friend of mine is a member of the Masaki
>Ryu In Japan which is famous for its Jutte and edo
>machikata jutte, they use the term Jutte (or at least
>he does when discussing the matter with me)

Here of course there can be no argument. They either use that
pronuncation or not, and either way it's just a fact. But, jutte could
be kind of a 'jargon' or specialized pronunciation that is used in
that ryuu-ha only.

Alternatively, this could be a tomato - tomahto kind of thing. The
word brings up enough discussion from time to time that it's
probably impossible to declare with finality what is the 'right'
pronunciation.


--
Jay Kelly
oyakata@...

--- Oyakata <oyakata@...> wrote:

>
> Alternatively, this could be a tomato - tomahto kind
> of thing. The
> word brings up enough discussion from time to time
> that it's
> probably impossible to declare with finality what is
> the 'right'
> pronunciation.

Jay, I think that seems to be the case. It's like
people who romanize an "n" before a b as a "m",
because it gets blended that way, versus those of us
who write it as an "n", because that's what an �� IS,
dang it, no matter how you SAY it.

Difference here is that it changes the actual vowel
pronunciation. However, like the difference between
juupun 10 min and jippun 10 min, I think it is
probably regional--I never *heard* jippun when I was
first studying Japanese, until someone made a point of
it.



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