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#4428 [2004-06-02 11:22:24]

Unorthodox Combat - Samurai View

by tbsorrentino

Greetings to all,

On the wake of Gabriel´s question on Nobunaga, I´d like to pose another.

If I am not wrong, Nobunaga was one of the first warlords to make effective and mass use of firearms (including in a episode against Takeda´s Cavalry).

As far as historic resources go, Samurai were very consencious of the "honoured combat methods", being the sword the material focus (or fetish) of such ethos.

This being said, I´d like to hear from you on the impact of the introduction of mass use of firearms in medieval japanese warfare. How would a brave Samurai, endowed with the armour of tradition and hitherto unchallenged upper-class prerrogatives, would have taken his own defeat by a single blow dealt maybe by the lowest peasant, holding the unorthodox weapon (again, maybe riflemen were not members of the lower classes, but you can correct me on that - if so, how would he take defeat in face of a perhaps less trainned person).

Cheers,

Thiago

----- Original Message -----
From: Luis-Gabriel Leal
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 2:17 PM
Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Nobunaga as a villain


Well that explains alot then. It just seems so odd that someone who
had been successful in his endeavors for a united kingdom would be
portrayed as a half demon king with a flaming purple sword and
speaking in a voice that makes James Earl Jones seem like pee-wee
herman.

Gabriel



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#4432 [2004-06-02 16:02:11]

RE: [samuraihistory] Unorthodox Combat - Samurai View

by Michael Peters

Samurai did use teppo (guns) however they tended to be snipers. Uesugi
Kenshin is know for shooting his men who broke and ran.


MJPeters


>From: "Thiago Sorrentino" <tsorrentino@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [samuraihistory] Unorthodox Combat - Samurai View
>Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:22:24 -0300
>
>
>Greetings to all,
>
>On the wake of Gabriel�s question on Nobunaga, I�d like to pose another.
>
>If I am not wrong, Nobunaga was one of the first warlords to make effective
>and mass use of firearms (including in a episode against Takeda�s Cavalry).
>
>As far as historic resources go, Samurai were very consencious of the
>"honoured combat methods", being the sword the material focus (or fetish)
>of such ethos.
>
>This being said, I�d like to hear from you on the impact of the
>introduction of mass use of firearms in medieval japanese warfare. How
>would a brave Samurai, endowed with the armour of tradition and hitherto
>unchallenged upper-class prerrogatives, would have taken his own defeat by
>a single blow dealt maybe by the lowest peasant, holding the unorthodox
>weapon (again, maybe riflemen were not members of the lower classes, but
>you can correct me on that - if so, how would he take defeat in face of a
>perhaps less trainned person).
>
>Cheers,
>
>Thiago
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Luis-Gabriel Leal
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 2:17 PM
> Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Nobunaga as a villain
>
>
> Well that explains alot then. It just seems so odd that someone who
> had been successful in his endeavors for a united kingdom would be
> portrayed as a half demon king with a flaming purple sword and
> speaking in a voice that makes James Earl Jones seem like pee-wee
> herman.
>
> Gabriel
>
>
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