About de suffix -ka

Hello to everyone on this list, a have subscribed for 3 or 4 months now but i
didn't had much useful topic to write about, nevertheless im really enjoying the
discussing here except one or two members, but this called my attention, 'cause for
this suffix -ka like iaidoka, judoka, a have been told that for some martial arts(
like kendo) the suffix -ka have more of an westernesse invention, do have any info
more detailed on that??????

Thanks

Thiago
( it seens to have a lot of ''Thiago''s in this)

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:30:29 -0300 (BRT), Thiagoさん wrote in message <1190.200.17.197.31.1081449029.squirrel@...>

>this suffix -ka like iaidoka, judoka, a have been told that for some martial
>arts(
>like kendo) the suffix -ka have more of an westernesse invention, do have any
>info
>more detailed on that??????
>

Thiago,
I'm not sure I 100% understand the question. But xx-ka is a perfectly
normal, natural Japanese word that is used for things other than
martial arts as well - a person who cooks is a ryouri-ka, a person who
does Japanese tea ceremony is a sadou-ka, etc. The list is quite long.

The *word itself * -ka does not come from any western influlence.

Do you mean that the martial arts that *use the word* -ka are
westernized? I would guess not - but I am not an expert in the area.

Does that help?

--
Jay Kelly
oyakata@...

I think I found it.My Japanese teacher told me some suffixes used for things,animals........I'll tell you tommorow.

Edy

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On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:30:29 -0300 (BRT), Thiagoさん wrote in message <1190.200.17.197.31.1081449029.squirrel@...>

>this suffix -ka like iaidoka, judoka, a have been told that for some martial
>arts(
>like kendo) the suffix -ka have more of an westernesse invention, do have any
>info
>more detailed on that??????
>
Thiago,
I'm not sure I 100% understand the question. But xx-ka is a perfectly
normal, natural Japanese word that is used for things other than
martial arts as well - a person who cooks is a ryouri-ka, a person who
does Japanese tea ceremony is a sadou-ka, etc. The list is quite long.

The *word itself * -ka does not come from any western influlence.

Do you mean that the martial arts that *use the word* -ka are
westernized? I would guess not - but I am not an expert in the area.

Does that help?

--
Jay Kelly
oyakata@...


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Hi,

空手家 【からてか】 karate practitioner --- from:
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html

Online dictionaries are useful.
Karsten

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Alexander" <edy@...>
To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] About de suffix -ka


> I think I found it.My Japanese teacher told me some suffixes used for
things,animals........I'll tell you tommorow.
>
> Edy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Oyakata
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 4:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] About de suffix -ka
>
>
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:30:29 -0300 (BRT), Thiagoさん wrote in message
<1190.200.17.197.31.1081449029.squirrel@...>
>
> >this suffix -ka like iaidoka, judoka, a have been told that for some
martial
> >arts(
> >like kendo) the suffix -ka have more of an westernesse invention, do
have any
> >info
> >more detailed on that??????
> >
> Thiago,
> I'm not sure I 100% understand the question. But xx-ka is a perfectly
> normal, natural Japanese word that is used for things other than
> martial arts as well - a person who cooks is a ryouri-ka, a person who
> does Japanese tea ceremony is a sadou-ka, etc. The list is quite long.
>
> The *word itself * -ka does not come from any western influlence.
>
> Do you mean that the martial arts that *use the word* -ka are
> westernized? I would guess not - but I am not an expert in the area.
>
> Does that help?
>
> --
> Jay Kelly
> oyakata@...
>
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A politician is a seiji-ka...

it's not just an artform word...

Nate

--- Oyakata <oyakata@...> wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 15:30:29 -0300 (BRT),

Thiagoさん

> wrote in message
>

<1190.200.17.197.31.1081449029.squirrel@...>

>
> >this suffix -ka like iaidoka, judoka, a have been
> told that for some martial
> >arts(
> >like kendo) the suffix -ka have more of an
> westernesse invention, do have any
> >info
> >more detailed on that??????
> >
> Thiago,
> I'm not sure I 100% understand the question. But
> xx-ka is a perfectly
> normal, natural Japanese word that is used for
> things other than
> martial arts as well - a person who cooks is a
> ryouri-ka, a person who
> does Japanese tea ceremony is a sadou-ka, etc. The
> list is quite long.
>
> The *word itself * -ka does not come from any
> western influlence.
>
> Do you mean that the martial arts that *use the
> word* -ka are
> westernized? I would guess not - but I am not an
> expert in the area.
>
> Does that help?
>
> --
> Jay Kelly
> oyakata@...
>

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On Apr 9, 2004, at 1:06 PM, Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> A politician is a seiji-ka...
>
> it's not just an artform word...
>
> Nate

No, not for sure... when we think that Koizumi is a "-ka"
cepo


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--- Cesare Polenghi <cepo@...> wrote:

> On Apr 9, 2004, at 1:06 PM, Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>
> > A politician is a seiji-ka...
> >
> > it's not just an artform word...
> >
> > Nate
>
> No, not for sure... when we think that Koizumi is a
> "-ka"
> cepo

Huh?

Nate

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On Apr 9, 2004, at 7:06 PM, Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> > > A politician is a seiji-ka...
> > >
> > >  it's not just an artform word...
> > >
> > >  Nate
> >
> > No, not for sure... when we think that Koizumi is a
> > "-ka"
> > cepo
>
> Huh?
>
> Nate

The chap (Koizumi) doesn't strike me as an artist...
cepo


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--- Cesare Polenghi <cepo@...> wrote:

> On Apr 9, 2004, at 7:06 PM, Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>
> > > > A politician is a seiji-ka...
> > > >
> > > > it's not just an artform word...
> > > >
> > > > Nate
> > >
> > > No, not for sure... when we think that Koizumi
> is a
> > > "-ka"
> > > cepo
> >
> > Huh?
> >
> > Nate
>
> The chap (Koizumi) doesn't strike me as an artist...
> cepo

I did say it's NOT just an artform word...

People were using it to mean "practitioners of an
art", i.e. martial arts, or arts like Sado, etc. My
point was to point out it's NOT only something you say
for artists, "seijika", being the word for politician,
being the example that came to mind.

Your opinion of Koizumi notwithstanding, of COURSE
he's not an artist--he's a politician. My point is
that just because you've got the suffix "家"
doesn't mean it has to refer to artists of some sort.

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