i think he's getting his info from sources outside of Japan because I too
have read of children being scared by threats but I read it was Korean
children scared by stories of tokugawa - same as many middle eastern
countries still scare their kids with stories of the demon invader
(ALexander the great to westerners)
as for the killings he did - well they were par for the course in those days
you would be hard pressed to find any leaders around the world who didnt do
these things without meaning it to be seen as horrific because they believed
differently from the way people do now.
i believe he was just a man of his time who managed to rise above his lowly
start in the same way as Genghis Khan and is just seen through the eyes of a
modern man as a murderer, even though he wasnt at the time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nate Ledbetter [mailto:
ltdomer98@...]
Sent: 07 April 2004 05:45
To:
samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Digest Number 784
Somebody's been watching too much CNN...
Name someone who did NOT kill women and children in
16th century Japan. Ieyasu surely did.
As was stated before, the story about Japanese mothers
using Nobunaga to scare their kids into obeying is
plain silliness--William's never heard of it, I've
never heard of it, I doubt Kitsuno, Tony, et al have
heard of it. I doubt Kitsuno's Japanese wife,
William's Japanese wife, their Japanese families,
etc., have heard of it. My Japanese friends haven't
heard of it, either.
Yesterday I picked up several manga with Nobunaga as
the HERO. Characterizing him as a terrorist is naive.
The Japanese surely don't see him that way. Harsh
sometimes, yes. So was Alexander the Great. So was
Suleiman. So was Ghengis Khan. That hardly makes any
of them, including Nobunaga, evil. We went over this
before when someone compared him to Hitler--which is
absolutely RIDICULOUS.
Yeah, Nobunaga killed Buddhist priests--the same ones
that defied his rule, harbored his enemies, attacked
his supply lines, and openly declared themselves his
enemies. He destroyed MT Hiei to eliminate it as a
THREAT, not because he was satan incarnate. Oh my
gosh, he had women and children killed! So did
everyone else at the time--nobody then operated under
the Geneva or Hague conventions.
Nobunaga didn't enact a "final solution" against the
Iga ninja, aimed at systematically eliminating them as
a people by destroying anyone born in Iga. They defied
his control, so he acted to control them. Reality of
16th century Japan.
Quit thinking in terms of modern media. You can't
apply modern battlefield ethics to 1945 (could you
IMAGINE the outcry that wholesale firebombing of
cities would creat today??), much less 1575.
Nate
--- Mepal_Mikit_Stsr-ljon_Oddhinsson
<
medhal8@...> wrote:
> The one who brought peace to Japan and unified it
> was not Nobunaga Child-Eater Terrorist!
>
> Was Ieyassu Tokugawa.
>
> Ask the remainds of the IIGA clan who killed this
> assassin, what they think
> about him as a "unifier"...
>
> Anyone who do a massacre and genocide against
> weaponless civilians should
> not desserve to be respected.
>
> Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
> Sco Paulo - SP Brazil
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