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#9630 [2007-11-04 10:13:46]

Iyeysu Tokugawa and the Europeans - Classroom Simulation

by peterruhan

Hello, I am a history teacher in California, and I am attempting to
create a historical simulation regarding Iyeysu and the closing off of
Japan to Europeans. I am attempting to find out some histories or
records of the events. I would particularly like to know some of the
prominent families/personas of the Tokugawa period alive in the early
1600's.

I have the following list

Iyeysu Tokugawa
Mori Terumoto
Uyesugi
Date Masamune
Yamnanouchi
Ukita
Satake

I need 2 more and/or comments on the families listed. I already have
hit the Samurai Archives for family history. More help and direction
would be, well....helpful.

Many thanks,

Wade Ness
Social Studies
Oak Ridge High School

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#9632 [2007-11-05 15:29:10]

Re: Iyeysu Tokugawa and the Europeans - Classroom Simulation

by obenjokusanosuke

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Wade" wrote:
>
>
> Hello, I am a history teacher in California, and I am attempting to
> create a historical simulation regarding Iyeysu and the closing off
of
> Japan to Europeans. I am attempting to find out some histories or
> records of the events. I would particularly like to know some of
the
> prominent families/personas of the Tokugawa period alive in the
early
> 1600's.
>
> I have the following list
>
> Iyeysu Tokugawa
> Mori Terumoto
> Uyesugi
> Date Masamune
> Yamnanouchi
> Ukita
> Satake
>
> I need 2 more and/or comments on the families listed. I already
have
> hit the Samurai Archives for family history. More help and
direction
> would be, well....helpful.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Wade Ness
> Social Studies
> Oak Ridge High School
>
There is just one fundamental problem with all of this, although your
idea sounds like a lot of fun. Ieyasu did not close-off Japan. It was
his grandson, the third Tokugawa Shogun, Iemitsu, who ultimately
closed Japan to all but the Dutch, Chinese and Koreans.

There are numerous books that touch upon this subject. I would
recommend one of the general survey-type history books that George
Sansom wrote on Japan for starters. Volume 3 of his trilogy should do
the trick.

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#9635 [2007-11-12 12:28:27]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Iyeysu Tokugawa and the Europeans - Classroom Simulation

by thuga11887

thanks you can remove the question


----- Original Message ----
From: obenjokusanosuke <obenjokusanosuke@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 5:29:10 PM
Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Iyeysu Tokugawa and the Europeans - Classroom Simulation

--- In samuraihistory@ yahoogroups. com, "Wade" wrote:
>
>
> Hello, I am a history teacher in California, and I am attempting to
> create a historical simulation regarding Iyeysu and the closing off
of
> Japan to Europeans. I am attempting to find out some histories or
> records of the events. I would particularly like to know some of
the
> prominent families/personas of the Tokugawa period alive in the
early
> 1600's.
>
> I have the following list
>
> Iyeysu Tokugawa
> Mori Terumoto
> Uyesugi
> Date Masamune
> Yamnanouchi
> Ukita
> Satake
>
> I need 2 more and/or comments on the families listed. I already
have
> hit the Samurai Archives for family history. More help and
direction
> would be, well....helpful.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Wade Ness
> Social Studies
> Oak Ridge High School
>
There is just one fundamental problem with all of this, although your
idea sounds like a lot of fun. Ieyasu did not close-off Japan. It was
his grandson, the third Tokugawa Shogun, Iemitsu, who ultimately
closed Japan to all but the Dutch, Chinese and Koreans.

There are numerous books that touch upon this subject. I would
recommend one of the general survey-type history books that George
Sansom wrote on Japan for starters. Volume 3 of his trilogy should do
the trick.




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#9639 [2007-11-05 23:10:02]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Iyeysu Tokugawa and the Europeans - Classroom Simulation

by peterruhan

Thank you for your quick response! I am presently in search of the sansom text you suggested, yet, I couldn't get the volume set nearby. I can get some of his other works though, and will secure them promptly.

I am hoping to set the simulation during the 1614 edict occasion rather than the later ban on all nationals which as you said is by the 3rd shogun of the Tokugawa. I realize the meeting never really took place where European officials would be allowed to "make their case", but the simulation should be an excellent occasion to see some key cultural and economic issues come to a head.

I suppose my most difficult task is to find basically about 8 prominent daimyo that the students can represent as Iyeysu's "court"

obenjokusanosuke <obenjokusanosuke@...> wrote: --- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Wade" wrote:
>
>
> Hello, I am a history teacher in California, and I am attempting to
> create a historical simulation regarding Iyeysu and the closing off
of
> Japan to Europeans. I am attempting to find out some histories or
> records of the events. I would particularly like to know some of
the
> prominent families/personas of the Tokugawa period alive in the
early
> 1600's.
>
> I have the following list
>
> Iyeysu Tokugawa
> Mori Terumoto
> Uyesugi
> Date Masamune
> Yamnanouchi
> Ukita
> Satake
>
> I need 2 more and/or comments on the families listed. I already
have
> hit the Samurai Archives for family history. More help and
direction
> would be, well....helpful.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Wade Ness
> Social Studies
> Oak Ridge High School
>
There is just one fundamental problem with all of this, although your
idea sounds like a lot of fun. Ieyasu did not close-off Japan. It was
his grandson, the third Tokugawa Shogun, Iemitsu, who ultimately
closed Japan to all but the Dutch, Chinese and Koreans.

There are numerous books that touch upon this subject. I would
recommend one of the general survey-type history books that George
Sansom wrote on Japan for starters. Volume 3 of his trilogy should do
the trick.





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#9641 [2007-11-19 12:22:32]

RE: [samuraihistory] Re: Iyeysu Tokugawa and the Europeans - Classroom Simulation

by jore lehtinen

its very simple...find out Iemitsus chief counsellors at the time...the families on your list propably had nothing to say in foreign matters..better then:understanding fear of foreign influense check out confusius and writers at the time.actually,if you think about it,its not very difficult thing...


To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.comFrom: peterruhan@...: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 23:10:02 -0800Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Iyeysu Tokugawa and the Europeans - Classroom Simulation




Thank you for your quick response! I am presently in search of the sansom text you suggested, yet, I couldn't get the volume set nearby. I can get some of his other works though, and will secure them promptly. I am hoping to set the simulation during the 1614 edict occasion rather than the later ban on all nationals which as you said is by the 3rd shogun of the Tokugawa. I realize the meeting never really took place where European officials would be allowed to "make their case", but the simulation should be an excellent occasion to see some key cultural and economic issues come to a head.I suppose my most difficult task is to find basically about 8 prominent daimyo that the students can represent as Iyeysu's "court"obenjokusanosuke <obenjokusanosuke@...> wrote: --- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Wade" wrote:>> > Hello, I am a history teacher in California, and I am attempting to> create a historical simulation regarding Iyeysu and the closing off of> Japan to Europeans. I am attempting to find out some histories or> records of the events. I would particularly like to know some of the> prominent families/personas of the Tokugawa period alive in the early> 1600's. > > I have the following list> > Iyeysu Tokugawa> Mori Terumoto> Uyesugi> Date Masamune> Yamnanouchi> Ukita> Satake> > I need 2 more and/or comments on the families listed. I already have> hit the Samurai Archives for family history. More help and direction> would be, well....helpful.> > Many thanks,> > Wade Ness> Social Studies> Oak Ridge High School>There is just one fundamental problem with all of this, although your idea sounds like a lot of fun. Ieyasu did not close-off Japan. It was his grandson, the third Tokugawa Shogun, Iemitsu, who ultimately closed Japan to all but the Dutch, Chinese and Koreans.There are numerous books that touch upon this subject. I would recommend one of the general survey-type history books that George Sansom wrote on Japan for starters. Volume 3 of his trilogy should do the trick.__________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






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