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#8559 [2006-03-21 20:54:25]

Bonsai and samurai

by samurai_iaijutsu

Does anyone know the history behind bonsai and samurai? I really appreciate
the help.

Thanks.

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#8563 [2006-03-22 08:39:24]

Re: [samuraihistory] Bonsai and samurai

by sengokudaimyo

Totok Sudarijanto wrote:
> Does anyone know the history behind bonsai and samurai? I really appreciate
> the help.

There really is none that I am aware of. If anything, bonsai
would strike me as originally the product of creative
gardeners, who were peasants, after all.

Tony
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#8564 [2006-03-22 10:31:19]

R: [samuraihistory] Bonsai and samurai

by Carlo Tacchini

Tony is right. Peasants started the fashion of Bonsai, imported from
China.
They collected the most interesting trees from mountains (they are
called Yamadori, even today). Trees that were forged by nature in a
dwarfed and dramatical manner.
Somebody was so poor to cultivate them into great shells. When Samurai
were no more fighters, in Edojidai, Bonsai becomes another way to pass
the time. Can't be excluded that even before some Samurai was a
bonsaist, but Buke class wasn't really interested in growing little
trees, originally.

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Totok Sudarijanto wrote:
> Does anyone know the history behind bonsai and samurai? I really
appreciate
> the help.

There really is none that I am aware of. If anything, bonsai
would strike me as originally the product of creative
gardeners, who were peasants, after all.

Tony
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#8566 [2006-03-22 11:39:05]

Re: [samuraihistory] Bonsai and samurai

by federicotrejos

In a book about Bonsai I have read, says that Buda
past away close to a tree. Then this tree became a
holy please where budisth go to prey.
When the chinese emperor became budisth and here about
the famous holy tree, it rise a mayor problem since he
can not leave the prohibited city.
And this gave birth to the Bonsai.
As time run by, this art went to Japan with the
budisth monks and it was an aristocrathic japanese who
saw a bonsai and converted it as an ornamental
instrument.
In Japan, a Bonsai is a reminder of Nature.
Here in occident, we tend to think in the little tree
on a pot; but in Japan Bonsai are also planted on
gardens.

As per Samurai and Bonsai, I do not know about it.
Perhaps it was used as a martial art ( as Cha no yu
and calligraphy, since it trained one mind and one
hand ). Or just as a hobby...


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#8568 [2006-03-22 18:00:38]

RE: [samuraihistory] Bonsai and samurai

by samurai_iaijutsu

Thanks for the answers everyone.

Totok Sudarijanto
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#8569 [2006-03-23 15:46:24]

Re: [samuraihistory] Bonsai and samurai

by gilliru

In The World in Miniature: Container Gardens and Dwellings in Far
Eastern Religious Thought (Stanford UP 1990) the author, Rolf A Stein,
supports the view that bonsai began as a religious practice in temples
and monasteries. The practice has been found through East and South
East Asia since ancient times. He gives two anecdotes relating the
introduction of container gardens into Japan: in one the Empress Suiko
(593-628) received from the land of Kudara (Korea) a representation of
a holy mountain. A natural stone surrounded by white sand was placed
in a bowl (hachi) which in turn was placed in a large dish. It was
decorated with climbing plants and called a katsura-hachi. The next
stage introduced stones. Prince Shotoku (572 621) gave a dish (bon) in
which he had set up a landscape with mountains and villages,
fashioned from stones, to the Emperor who was sick at the time. This
was called a katsura-bon. (Whether the Emperor recovered on
receiving this gift is not related by Stein.)

In Chinese paintings tray gardens with miniature trees are often
portrayed. The earliest examples in Japanese painting come from the
14th century (Stein is quoting Yanagisawa's 1962 work Tray
Landscapes). Tray gardens and bonsai it seems were imbued with the
same sense of philosophy as painting, calligraphy and poetry.
Peasants may have kept small gardens in pots and collected interesting
trees from the mountain (though I think yamadori means mountain
bird rather than mountain tree, doesn't it?) as this is a natural human
activity, but I would think the art of bonsai was more the pursuit of
monks, men of letters and artists. Gardening was a highly cultured
activity. The gardens held to have been designed by Sesshu in
Yamaguchi were considered works of art at the time of their creation.
Interestingly, they are also "in miniature" - representing full scale
landscapes just as bonsai do, but on a slightly larger scale.

Hideyoshi himself was interested in planning gardens (was this his
peasant ancestry :)) supervising the layout of his pleasure garden,
Samboin.

Cheers,

G

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#8571 [2006-03-23 16:14:47]

RE: [samuraihistory] Bonsai and samurai

by samurai_iaijutsu

Thanks.

I found this too on internet (http://www.bonsaicenter.com) I don't know if
it's reliable or not. I hope the experts in this group can answer this.

Bonsai History

The art of bonsai was developed in the Far East where it is considered an
expression of the harmony between heaven and earth, man and nature. Its'
spiritual foundations lie in the Eastern philosophy of life which strives
after harmony between man and nature - a harmony which becomes apparent when
empathy is achieved with the process of all growth and development. There
could surely be no more fitting example of this than the cultivation of
bonsai.

The bonsai lover will take time to care for and examine his trees. Through
them he experiences a new rhythm of the seasons, and nurtures within himself
the power of creativity as he shapes and miniaturizes his trees. Cultivating
a bonsai tree requires some care and attention, but as a reward it brings
tranquility to the mind, a feeling of being refreshed and, inner peace.


The Chinese were the first to plant miniature trees in dishes, and even
today bonsai is part of Chinese culture. It has a place in every Chinese
community, even outside China itself, in places like Taiwan, Thailand, Hong
Kong and Singapore. Chinese bonsai masters of today still make a distinction
between 'pun-sai' and 'pun-ching'. For many the word 'pen-jing' is taken to
mean both forms of bonsai.

The word 'pun-sai' is made up of the same characters as the Japanese word
'bonsai', and means a tree planted in a container without any landscape,
while 'pun-ching' means a tree that is planted in a container or on a tray
and landscaped. The art of pun-ching dates far back to the early period of
the Han dynasty, about 206 BC-AD 220, when Chinese landscape artists started
to design miniature versions of the already famous artificial rock gardens.
According to legend, Jiang-feng was endowed with a magic power to conjure up
on a dish tiny landscapes complete with rocks, mountains, trees, rivers,
houses, people and animals. At about the same time as the mention of
pun-ching, or miniature landscapes with rocks and trees, a form still very
popular in China today, we find the first reference to pun-sai during the
Ch'in dynasty (221-206 BC): it was Ton Guen-ming; a famous poet and high-
ranking official, who, having grown weary of affairs of state, retired to a
peaceful country living where he began to cultivate chrysanthemums in pots.
This may have been the beginning of potted plants, but it was to lead on to
the miniaturization of trees. Just 200 years later in paintings from the
T'ang period we find pines, cypresses, plum trees, and bamboos-all growing
in dishes. Even before the year AD 1000, in the Sung dynasty, there are
poems describing pun-sai as well as a wealth of literature on how to form
them.

During the period of peace known as the Ch'ing dynasty (AD 1644-1911) both
pun-ching and pun-sai became a hobby not only of the aristocracy but of all
strata of Chinese society. It was not the Chinese who introduced the art of
bonsai to the West; it was the Japanese, first in Paris at the Worlds Fair
of 1878, and subsequently in London in 1909. It is believed that Buddhist
monks took bonsai to Japan in the tenth and eleventh centuries, as they
considered them to be religious objects, 'verdant stair ways leading to
Heaven', thus a connection between God and mankind.

During the Yuan dynasty (AD 1280-1368) Japanese government ministers and
merchants brought home bonsai as presents from China . Chu Shun-sui, a
Chinese official, who, around 1644, fled from the rule of the Manchu's to
Japan, taking with him his entire collection of bonsai literature. It was
his special knowledge that contributed decisively to the spread of the art
of bonsai in Japan. Around this time Japan was beginning to establish its
own form of bonsai cultivation, an art which was at first the preserve of
the Japanese aristocracy, the Samurai, and which only at the end of the last
century became a hobby for all.

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> From: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gillian
> Rubinstein
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 5:46 AM
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Bonsai and samurai
>
> In The World in Miniature: Container Gardens and Dwellings in
> Far Eastern Religious Thought (Stanford UP 1990) the author,
> Rolf A Stein, supports the view that bonsai began as a
> religious practice in temples and monasteries. The practice
> has been found through East and South East Asia since ancient
> times. He gives two anecdotes relating the introduction of
> container gardens into Japan: in one the Empress Suiko
> (593-628) received from the land of Kudara (Korea) a
> representation of a holy mountain. A natural stone surrounded
> by white sand was placed in a bowl (hachi) which in turn was
> placed in a large dish. It was decorated with climbing plants
> and called a katsura-hachi. The next stage introduced stones.
> Prince Shotoku (572 621) gave a dish (bon) in which he had
> set up a landscape with mountains and villages, fashioned
> from stones, to the Emperor who was sick at the time. This
> was called a katsura-bon. (Whether the Emperor recovered on
> receiving this gift is not related by Stein.)
>
> In Chinese paintings tray gardens with miniature trees are
> often portrayed. The earliest examples in Japanese painting
> come from the 14th century (Stein is quoting Yanagisawa's
> 1962 work Tray Landscapes). Tray gardens and bonsai it seems
> were imbued with the same sense of philosophy as painting,
> calligraphy and poetry.
> Peasants may have kept small gardens in pots and collected
> interesting trees from the mountain (though I think yamadori
> means mountain bird rather than mountain tree, doesn't it?)
> as this is a natural human activity, but I would think the
> art of bonsai was more the pursuit of monks, men of letters
> and artists. Gardening was a highly cultured activity. The
> gardens held to have been designed by Sesshu in Yamaguchi
> were considered works of art at the time of their creation.
> Interestingly, they are also "in miniature" - representing
> full scale landscapes just as bonsai do, but on a slightly
> larger scale.
>
> Hideyoshi himself was interested in planning gardens (was
> this his peasant ancestry :)) supervising the layout of his
> pleasure garden, Samboin.
>
> Cheers,
>
> G
>
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#8596 [2006-03-26 12:46:50]

Re: [samuraihistory] Bonsai and samurai

by drnostrand

Hi.

Bonsai cultivation is a garden hobby. Why should there be a particular
history relating to samurai? Basically, if you could afford to
cultivate bonsai and liked them, then you did so. Miniatures of various
sort show up in things like the Confessions of Lady Nijo and The
Gossamer Years. Miniature trees fit right in with this stuff. It is
possible that miniature trees were taken up by the bushi as a way of
doing something similar to the kuge without being left behind by them.
So for example, the bushi took up the tea ceremony which in some ways
paralleled the incense ceremony and took up Noh theatre which in some
ways paralleled gagaku, bugaku, and kagura. However, I do not know just
how far back bonsai cultivation goes. If it goes back to the kuge, then
the bushi simply took it up from them in much the same way that they
took up the leisure clothes of the kuge.

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