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#6373 [2004-12-18 11:50:21]

RE: [samuraihistory] The Last Samurai, the movie

by geregjonesmuller

Chris -

Your assessment (even if it were true) might be less undesirable than 'all
heart, no brain.' But the truth about Tony, I think, is more 'all research,
no bullshit.' At that, I'm guessing he'd be happy enough to settle for
'reasonably close to history ...and still no bullshit.' (I don't think
Tony's b.s. tolerance is very high. One of the things we love about him.)
If the spirit of the film were moderately accurate, he might be inclined to
make allowances. Let me put this another way: do you actually _like_
movies that distort history and strain - or defy - credibility?
Gereg

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 06:03:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Ketterling <chrisketterling1@...>
Subject: Re: The Last Samurai, the movie.


All brain no heart.

Anthony Bryant <ajbryant@...> wrote:mark kd wrote:

> if you buy the movie book(or just go to your local book store and look at
> it), it will tell you what is accurate and what is not(to some extent). I
> have the DVD w/ the directors comentary and extra stuff on a 2nd cd, & it
> goes into some detail on the realness of the movie.

They have some nerve doing so.

> They said that 1/2 is
> fake & 1/2 is not.

They lie. There is so much that's wrong with it historically that I almost
cried. Yeah, the armour's pretty. Yeah, the battles are fancy. But
historically
it was totally crapola.

Frankly, I'd think that Watanabe Ken and Sanada Hiroyuki ought to be
embarrassed. They've each made dozens of films -- some crappy, some really
good
-- and the one they get international reputations for is this American
"Dances
With Samurai" piece of steaming, fetid poop.

I finally caught it on HBO last night, after months and months of refusing
to go
pay to see it, rent it, or buy it.

It made me sick.


Tony

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#6380 [2004-12-18 16:55:53]

Tony's heart ---

by elizabethchase1

I totally agree with the no-B.S. factor, but I think Tony's heart is way
bigger than he gets credit for, and far larger than he wants to admit, even
to himself.


Wickedly,

Lizzie







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From: "Silk Road School" <silk.road.school@...>
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Subject: RE: [samuraihistory] The Last Samurai, the movie
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:50:21 -0800



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#6383 [2004-12-18 23:09:50]

Re: [samuraihistory] The Last Samurai, the movie

by sengokudaimyo

Silk Road School wrote:

>
> Chris -
>
> Your assessment (even if it were true) might be less undesirable than 'all
> heart, no brain.' But the truth about Tony, I think, is more 'all research,
> no bullshit.' At that, I'm guessing he'd be happy enough to settle for
> 'reasonably close to history ...and still no bullshit.' (I don't think
> Tony's b.s. tolerance is very high. One of the things we love about him.)
> If the spirit of the film were moderately accurate, he might be inclined to
> make allowances. Let me put this another way: do you actually _like_
> movies that distort history and strain - or defy - credibility?

It's part of the reason why I can really enjoy "Shakespeare in Love" -- which
makes no pretense as to being "the real story" -- while I abhor, loathe, detest,
and excoriate "Elizabeth," which *does* pretend to be history. I also hate
"Braveheart" for the same reasons, for what it's worth.



Tony
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#6385 [2004-12-19 01:34:34]

Re: [samuraihistory] Tony's heart ---

by sengokudaimyo

ELIZABETH CHASE wrote:
>
>
> I totally agree with the no-B.S. factor, but I think Tony's heart is way
> bigger than he gets credit for, and far larger than he wants to admit, even
> to himself.

You're too kind. :)


Tony
--

Anthony J. Bryant
Website: http://www.sengokudaimyo.com

Effingham's Heraldic Avatars (...and stuff):
http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/avatarbiz.html

Grand Cross, Order of the Laurel:
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