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#6371 [2004-12-18 11:50:25]

RE: [samuraihistory] lists, lists

by geregjonesmuller

Thomas -
Speaking of big blokes: I'm far from expert enough to know how accurate
Robert Shea's research is (in Japan, at least: elsewhere it tends to be
pretty decent), but his _Shike_ is a fictional life of the huge monk - I
forget his name - who was Yoshitsune's companion. (I cite Yoshitsune's name
with trepidation; I'm not 100% sure I've identified him right, which is a
trifle embarrassing when I'm sitting right under a print of him training
with the Tengu.) What I recall of the two-book novel matches reasonably
well with what I've read of the Taira-Minamoto wars since then, but it was
my first exposure to the period, so I make no promises.
Shea is generally focussed on what one might call the 'underside of
history' - secret societies, etc. (he was the better-informed co-author of
the _Illuminastus!_ satire back in the'70s). I have my reservations, for
example, regarding his order of Zinja monks... he relates them to a
Ch'in-cha sect in China. Does anybody better-informed than I am happen to
recall these books, and have any views on their historical value? Might be
one for your list, Thomas, and on the other hand, it might be one to teach
me the limitations of my knowledge. Either one's good.
Gereg
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:36:34 -0000
From: "Thomas Davidson" <tom.davidson@...>
Subject: Lists, lists


I have posted 2 lists in the files section -

One is of films, the other is of 'samurai fiction' - set in the
'samurai era' by which I mean I have not bothered with
Lustbader's Ninja, or such like - nor with stuff like Hayes'
'Wisdom from the Ninja Village' lest I incur the wrath of
P Richardson of this list - I've met him and he's a big bloke!

In both I have avoided anime/manga stuff, cos I don't know
anything about it!

Email me any additions/comments, and I'll update.

If we should do a list of factual/reference books, which will be
quite lengthy, i think, let me know.

Thomas

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#6378 [2004-12-18 16:37:25]

RE: [samuraihistory] lists, lists

by ltdomer98

--- Silk Road School <silk.road.school@...>
wrote:

>
> Thomas -
> Speaking of big blokes: I'm far from expert enough
> to know how accurate
> Robert Shea's research is (in Japan, at least:
> elsewhere it tends to be
> pretty decent), but his _Shike_ is a fictional life
> of the huge monk - I
> forget his name - who was Yoshitsune's companion.

Benkei. And yes, it was Yoshitsune.

Does anybody
> better-informed than I am happen to
> recall these books, and have any views on their
> historical value?

Don't know that I'm better informed, but I recall
reading one at one point. It was decent fiction, but
historically....um, it was decent fiction with a
historical background, how's that?

Nate

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#6401 [2004-12-19 15:03:40]

Re: lists, lists

by thomas_tessera

OK - Shike will be added to the list.

Also the Samurai Mystery trilogy of Dale Furutani, and
the 9 books in Laura Joh Rowland's series, and
Lucia St. Clair Robson's The Tokaido Road

In movies - An Actor's Revenge

more to come ...

Thomas

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#6403 [2004-12-19 15:52:52]

RE: [samuraihistory] lists, lists

by geregjonesmuller

Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:37:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...>
Subject: RE: lists, lists


--- Silk Road School <silk.road.school@...>
wrote:

>
> Thomas -
> Speaking of big blokes: I'm far from expert enough
> to know how accurate
> Robert Shea's research is (in Japan, at least:
> elsewhere it tends to be
> pretty decent), but his _Shike_ is a fictional life
> of the huge monk - I
> forget his name - who was Yoshitsune's companion.

Benkei. And yes, it was Yoshitsune.
G: Thank you.
Does anybody
> better-informed than I am happen to
> recall these books, and have any views on their
> historical value?

Don't know that I'm better informed, but I recall
reading one at one point. It was decent fiction, but
historically....um, it was decent fiction with a
historical background, how's that?
Nate
G: That would be better than most, but not suited for Thomas's list, is how
that sounds to me. (By the way, all, I'm starting to identify my comments
with an initial initial, because I don't like the way some of my posts come
across: it's hard to tell who's said what. I conceive that this may
clarify things a trifle. If what it does instead is irritate or confuse,
let me know.)
Gereg

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#6407 [2004-12-20 00:13:04]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: lists, lists

by umaryu

HI

what about adding

'The sun rises' by Chris Nicol

I bought this book about 13 years ago. (it is actually
a trilogy)

the first one tells the story of an American soldier
in the 1860's/70;s who has to escape from thr uSA then
arrives in Japan. he becomes a samurai and helps the
satsuma fight against the government in the Satsuma
rebellion, he wears armour in battle fighting for the
satsuma and survives

' Play Twilight zone music '

Oh my god sounds just like the last samurai

hehehe

makes you wonder if someone out there has been
stealing ideas for a story.

Paul

--- Thomas Davidson <tom.davidson@...> wrote:


---------------------------------

OK - Shike will be added to the list.

Also the Samurai Mystery trilogy of Dale Furutani, and
the 9 books in Laura Joh Rowland's series, and
Lucia St. Clair Robson's The Tokaido Road

In movies - An Actor's Revenge

more to come ...

Thomas





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