Re: Swords & spirits

Gentles:
I receive this list in digest form, so before I answer anybody's notes
directly I'd just like to note that I'm delighted at where this thread is
starting to go. Whatever I feel from my blades is only one person's
perception - and a modern person's at that, however deeply immersed (some
would say submerged) I might be in ancient traditions. Whether anybody
believes me or not can make no difference to my perception, of course; and
likewise, my individual - and entirely subjective - perception is highly
unlikely to sway anyone else's belief. And that's fine too.
What I'm seeing here is, I think, of more importance to the group. I
didn't intend to start - or to contribute to - an argument. I did hope to
see this dialogue come up: informed discussion of the idea in the context
of Japanese (and, by way of perspective, other cultures') beliefs in the
matter.
I'm learning here, gentlemen; and I thank you.
Gereg

P.S. For you other 'digest' recipients: _please_, when you're answering a
post, delete the other irrelevant posts. I've been getting a string of five
or six consecutive messages unrelated to current topics for the better part
of a week. I mean, sure, those are some good messages: but.
G.

--- Silk Road School <silk.road.school@...>
wrote:

Whatever I feel from my blades is

> only one person's
> perception

A key point for us all to keep in mind. Subjective
threads like this one arouse more emotion than they
should, especially since there isn't a "right" or
"wrong". Now, if you want to start quoting Stephen
Hayes and tell me that Nobunaga's son Katsuyori
attacked a ninja clan because his dad fell off a
horse...

(Explanation: I'm currently putting myself through the
agony of reading his book--and I use that term only
because it has pages and is bound--about the mystical
origins of Ninjutsu--insert appropriate oohs and ahs
here. The endstate is a review on Amazon so that no
one every BUYS this filth--I borrowed it from my
library. Anyways, none of Nobunaga's sons, as most of
you know, were named Katsuyori. Takeda Katsuyori was
the enemy he defeated at Nagashino. Anyone doing
"research" for a "book" might want to at least know
THAT much history, but I digress.)

> P.S. For you other 'digest' recipients: _please_,
> when you're answering a
> post, delete the other irrelevant posts. I've been
> getting a string of five
> or six consecutive messages unrelated to current
> topics for the better part
> of a week. I mean, sure, those are some good
> messages: but.

Good point, and a reminder on some posting etiquette:
Please, if you can, delete whatever in the message you
are replying to that doesn't actually have a bearing
on your reply. This includes those annoying little
signatures at the bottom of emails, the Yahoo ads,
etc. And for most, it's helpful if you either
in-context post, or bottom post. If you post at the
top of a reply, one has to search through the message
at the bottom to see the message to which you are
replying, and that can get confusing.

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HI

--- Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...> wrote:

Now, if you want to start quoting Stephen
Hayes
(Explanation: I'm currently putting myself through the
agony of reading his book--and I use that term only
because it has pages and is bound--about the mystical
origins of Ninjutsu--insert appropriate oohs and ahs
here.

Nate please stop reading the book you iwll damage your
brain cells and its so close to christmas you really
shuoldnt oput yourself through such agony.

Hayes book are not facutal they are all made up to
make money. his 5 set series has about 4 pages of real
info (at a push) this is the guy who told the world
that ninja used straight swords.

He now has his won org which he calls Toshindo, he is
not licensed to issue menkyo but if you read his site
you will get the impression that he doies (I know form
old students of his that he does issue menkyo in ryu
he is not licensed to issue them in)

HIs book are full of indian and tibetian religion
which he is trying to pass off as Ninja kuji.

He has been slammed on Tendai buddhist and mikkyo
sites for the crap he spouts and this is also
considerintha he is an ordained tendai priest.

I know this because I have been a member fo the
bujinkan for 20 years. i have researched the history
of the 9 ryu within the bujinkan extrensively
including some ninja history. The guy has a japanese
wifde who can translate old and new ninja books and he
still cant get it right, Hatsumi snesei is as he
claims a ninja soke, so considering this and the fact
hayes was training with Hatsumi in 75 he should have
got something right by now.

Anything Hayes writes I would take with a pinch of
salt.

Yep I know I am slamming the man, and it may be wrong,
but so many people have been duped by him that he has
made a vast fortune from his crap

Paul Richardson
8th Dan - Bujinkan Dojo
www.hanako.co.uk




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Avoid ashida kims Books at all costs!!!

Richardson Paul <umaryu@...> wrote:HI

--- Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...> wrote:

Now, if you want to start quoting Stephen
Hayes
(Explanation: I'm currently putting myself through the
agony of reading his book--and I use that term only
because it has pages and is bound--about the mystical
origins of Ninjutsu--insert appropriate oohs and ahs
here.

Nate please stop reading the book you iwll damage your
brain cells and its so close to christmas you really
shuoldnt oput yourself through such agony.

Hayes book are not facutal they are all made up to
make money. his 5 set series has about 4 pages of real
info (at a push) this is the guy who told the world
that ninja used straight swords.

He now has his won org which he calls Toshindo, he is
not licensed to issue menkyo but if you read his site
you will get the impression that he doies (I know form
old students of his that he does issue menkyo in ryu
he is not licensed to issue them in)

HIs book are full of indian and tibetian religion
which he is trying to pass off as Ninja kuji.

He has been slammed on Tendai buddhist and mikkyo
sites for the crap he spouts and this is also
considerintha he is an ordained tendai priest.

I know this because I have been a member fo the
bujinkan for 20 years. i have researched the history
of the 9 ryu within the bujinkan extrensively
including some ninja history. The guy has a japanese
wifde who can translate old and new ninja books and he
still cant get it right, Hatsumi snesei is as he
claims a ninja soke, so considering this and the fact
hayes was training with Hatsumi in 75 he should have
got something right by now.

Anything Hayes writes I would take with a pinch of
salt.

Yep I know I am slamming the man, and it may be wrong,
but so many people have been duped by him that he has
made a vast fortune from his crap

Paul Richardson
8th Dan - Bujinkan Dojo
www.hanako.co.uk




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konbonwa!mr.richardson.hi,my name is carl.ive been a member of the bujinkan since 97.my current sensei is richard ray in cleveland ,ohio.i was also a member of the gembukan in LA,&here in cleveland as well.i did attend some of mr hayes fall festival,&a few of the quest centers.when i was younger,i also was in the shadows of iga(hahahaha)man o man.there were a few of us that did indeed feel a bit let down.can you give me a few good links for some tendai * mikkyo sites?id appreciate it.thank you.

Richardson Paul <umaryu@...> wrote:HI

--- Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...> wrote:

Now, if you want to start quoting Stephen
Hayes
(Explanation: I'm currently putting myself through the
agony of reading his book--and I use that term only
because it has pages and is bound--about the mystical
origins of Ninjutsu--insert appropriate oohs and ahs
here.

Nate please stop reading the book you iwll damage your
brain cells and its so close to christmas you really
shuoldnt oput yourself through such agony.

Hayes book are not facutal they are all made up to
make money. his 5 set series has about 4 pages of real
info (at a push) this is the guy who told the world
that ninja used straight swords.

He now has his won org which he calls Toshindo, he is
not licensed to issue menkyo but if you read his site
you will get the impression that he doies (I know form
old students of his that he does issue menkyo in ryu
he is not licensed to issue them in)

HIs book are full of indian and tibetian religion
which he is trying to pass off as Ninja kuji.

He has been slammed on Tendai buddhist and mikkyo
sites for the crap he spouts and this is also
considerintha he is an ordained tendai priest.

I know this because I have been a member fo the
bujinkan for 20 years. i have researched the history
of the 9 ryu within the bujinkan extrensively
including some ninja history. The guy has a japanese
wifde who can translate old and new ninja books and he
still cant get it right, Hatsumi snesei is as he
claims a ninja soke, so considering this and the fact
hayes was training with Hatsumi in 75 he should have
got something right by now.

Anything Hayes writes I would take with a pinch of
salt.

Yep I know I am slamming the man, and it may be wrong,
but so many people have been duped by him that he has
made a vast fortune from his crap

Paul Richardson
8th Dan - Bujinkan Dojo
www.hanako.co.uk




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HI Carl

I know Rick quite well, your still a member of the
Bujinkan, so I guess you stopped training with since
he left the Bujinkan (again and again)


Paul


--- carl rosian <ghostweasel2k@...> wrote:


---------------------------------

konbonwa!mr.richardson.hi,my name is carl.ive been a
member of the bujinkan since 97.my current sensei is
richard ray in cleveland ,ohio.i was also a member of
the gembukan in LA,&here in cleveland as well.i did
attend some of mr hayes fall festival,&a few of the
quest centers.when i was younger,i also was in the
shadows of iga(hahahaha)man o man.there were a few of
us that did indeed feel a bit let down.can you give me
a few good links for some tendai * mikkyo sites?id
appreciate it.thank you.

Richardson Paul <umaryu@...> wrote:HI

--- Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...> wrote:

Now, if you want to start quoting Stephen
Hayes
(Explanation: I'm currently putting myself through the
agony of reading his book--and I use that term only
because it has pages and is bound--about the mystical
origins of Ninjutsu--insert appropriate oohs and ahs
here.

Nate please stop reading the book you iwll damage your
brain cells and its so close to christmas you really
shuoldnt oput yourself through such agony.

Hayes book are not facutal they are all made up to
make money. his 5 set series has about 4 pages of real
info (at a push) this is the guy who told the world
that ninja used straight swords.

He now has his won org which he calls Toshindo, he is
not licensed to issue menkyo but if you read his site
you will get the impression that he doies (I know form
old students of his that he does issue menkyo in ryu
he is not licensed to issue them in)

HIs book are full of indian and tibetian religion
which he is trying to pass off as Ninja kuji.

He has been slammed on Tendai buddhist and mikkyo
sites for the crap he spouts and this is also
considerintha he is an ordained tendai priest.

I know this because I have been a member fo the
bujinkan for 20 years. i have researched the history
of the 9 ryu within the bujinkan extrensively
including some ninja history. The guy has a japanese
wifde who can translate old and new ninja books and he
still cant get it right, Hatsumi snesei is as he
claims a ninja soke, so considering this and the fact
hayes was training with Hatsumi in 75 he should have
got something right by now.

Anything Hayes writes I would take with a pinch of
salt.

Yep I know I am slamming the man, and it may be wrong,
but so many people have been duped by him that he has
made a vast fortune from his crap

Paul Richardson
8th Dan - Bujinkan Dojo
www.hanako.co.uk




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yeah,it gets really frustrating.ive thought about just staying w/whatever he wants to do.but it just doesnt sit well w/me,ya know?its hard to find people to train w/here in ohio.i still practice everyday regardless.i have a few friends that i "teach"little stuff here & there(even though im not licensed to teach).i called up rick & he said that we could talk about training....but i know what hes gonna say.theres also another school here in cleveland called gaijin ryu.i spoke w/the sensei there....it sounds about fishy.he kept telling me that he teachs a dead style(koga ryu).when i asked him some questions about just minor stuff,like about the 9 traditions...about rokusho bo & hanbo,he didnt give good answers.i have a few friends that goto the quest center in dayton,& a few in different dojos here & there in the US but the distance is pretty far to travel ,just to train for a few hrs.my buddies up here that i train w/arent all that bad.ive taught them stuff like ukemi,sanshin,some
kihon happo...ya know just really basic fundamental stuff.its cool,because i dont ever tell them any of the kuden.out of 4 people,only 1 truly has a grasp of what budo truly is.well,i gotta goto work.so,hopefully ill ttyl.

Richardson Paul <umaryu@...> wrote:HI Carl

I know Rick quite well, your still a member of the
Bujinkan, so I guess you stopped training with since
he left the Bujinkan (again and again)


Paul


--- carl rosian <ghostweasel2k@...> wrote:


---------------------------------

konbonwa!mr.richardson.hi,my name is carl.ive been a
member of the bujinkan since 97.my current sensei is
richard ray in cleveland ,ohio.i was also a member of
the gembukan in LA,&here in cleveland as well.i did
attend some of mr hayes fall festival,&a few of the
quest centers.when i was younger,i also was in the
shadows of iga(hahahaha)man o man.there were a few of
us that did indeed feel a bit let down.can you give me
a few good links for some tendai * mikkyo sites?id
appreciate it.thank you.

Richardson Paul <umaryu@...> wrote:HI

--- Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...> wrote:

Now, if you want to start quoting Stephen
Hayes
(Explanation: I'm currently putting myself through the
agony of reading his book--and I use that term only
because it has pages and is bound--about the mystical
origins of Ninjutsu--insert appropriate oohs and ahs
here.

Nate please stop reading the book you iwll damage your
brain cells and its so close to christmas you really
shuoldnt oput yourself through such agony.

Hayes book are not facutal they are all made up to
make money. his 5 set series has about 4 pages of real
info (at a push) this is the guy who told the world
that ninja used straight swords.

He now has his won org which he calls Toshindo, he is
not licensed to issue menkyo but if you read his site
you will get the impression that he doies (I know form
old students of his that he does issue menkyo in ryu
he is not licensed to issue them in)

HIs book are full of indian and tibetian religion
which he is trying to pass off as Ninja kuji.

He has been slammed on Tendai buddhist and mikkyo
sites for the crap he spouts and this is also
considerintha he is an ordained tendai priest.

I know this because I have been a member fo the
bujinkan for 20 years. i have researched the history
of the 9 ryu within the bujinkan extrensively
including some ninja history. The guy has a japanese
wifde who can translate old and new ninja books and he
still cant get it right, Hatsumi snesei is as he
claims a ninja soke, so considering this and the fact
hayes was training with Hatsumi in 75 he should have
got something right by now.

Anything Hayes writes I would take with a pinch of
salt.

Yep I know I am slamming the man, and it may be wrong,
but so many people have been duped by him that he has
made a vast fortune from his crap

Paul Richardson
8th Dan - Bujinkan Dojo
www.hanako.co.uk




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