Japanese Samurai History - Re: : History/Shotokan Re: new subject

#6091 [2004-12-02 22:22:44]

RE: [samuraihistory] : History/Shotokan Re: new subject

by geregjonesmuller

Milady (and there, in oblique answer to an earlier question of yours, is a
telltale sign of my SCA days back in the '70s) -
I want to sincerely congratulate you on saying the following rather more
nicely than I managed to do, the last time he brought this subject up.
You've covered much the same ground I did, and done it very neatly: but
since you've managed to express it so much more kindly, maybe - just maybe -
he'll believe you. (I've been accused on other lists of lacking that Warm
Fuzzy touch that's supposed to be part and parcel of my California
heritage...)
Gereg (formerly known as Gereg Blaiddllwyd in selected bits of the West and
Caid)

"Ignorance is curable. Stupidity, on the other hand, usually proves
terminal in the wild, although modern society has unfortunately seen fit to
modify this principle as it applies to humans. The reasoning behind this is
one of the great mysteries of civilisation."
-T. Drapier Swift

Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:42:50 -0600
From: "Elizabeth Chase"
Subject: History/Shotokan Re: new subject

Actually, Mr. Berryman, each generation of masters since Funakoshi-sensei
has altered some of the Shotokan techniques and kata.
Shotokan is modern in the historical sense, but perhaps you are young, and
four or five generations feels like a great deal of time.

I do appreciate your enthusiasm and ardor on the subject, but perhaps you
might want to read more than one or two books to form your
opinions. Especially so since you argue with some people who have spent
their lives studying things Japanese. I would suggest some
history, rather than those with a martial arts focus.

Your skin might want to get less sensitive as well; you're quite twitchy and
reactive. I wouldn't trust you around me with neither
bokken nor blade. Do calm down, sir. You have nothing to prove, and by
professing to know much, you prevent yourself from further
learning.

Good day,

Lizzie

----- Original Message -----
From: luke berryman
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] new subject

Yes I do know that Karate began before this. But what I am saying is that
master Funakoshi's style is derived directly from the old
ways of Okinawa. Just because JKA was formed in the 20th century does not
mean that it has lost the old ways.

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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:47:05 -0600
From: "Elizabeth Chase"
Subject: Re: Samurai wannabees and influences Re: new subject

Aye, lad. I find myself hoping he either flunks his boards if he has to
take them, or failing that, remaining unemployed. My 9
year old son is waaayyyyyy more articulate that this one. I would
instantly campaign for changing to a different teacher.

But y'know, dude could be sand-baggin' us, too. Doesn't say much for his
character, either way.

Lizzie
--- cat-brat today
----- Original Message -----
From: Kitsuno
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:28 AM
Subject: Samurai wannabees and influences Re: [samuraihistory] new subject

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, james wilson
wrote:
>
> hello how r u. do u dislike Roppongi because of the sailors? small
joke. n e way i am 22 yrs old and i am well on my way to becoming an
elementary teacher. by the way r u in Japan because u r a teacher or
is it some other kind of business. if u dont mind my asking well GOD
BLESS U
>
> peace

My God, if I had kids in elementary school and thier teacher spelled
like that I would immediately start homeschooling them. (and what is
this group coming to??)

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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:44:01 -0600
From: "Elizabeth Chase"
Subject: Re: How not to learn Japanese

Ewww.....! Guess I'd better pay attention and not learn to talk like the
guys, lol.....

Lizzie

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From: "Ambrose Alward"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] How not to learn Japanese

Could be worse I learned Japanese from a very nice lady who forgot to tell
me the difference between male and female inflexions and
other subtle differences between the sexes. Consequently I talked like a
woman would and most of the guys I worked with in Japan
thought I was gay. Nothing like being pulled away by your boss and being
told that the company doesn't like to employ perverts.

Ambrose

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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 22:31:02 -0000
From: "Michael"
Subject: Re: Day of the Ninja?

Being a long time Ninjutsu practitioner I have never heard of "Ninja
Day".
Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi's Birthday is on Dec 5th, if that is the
grandmaster you are refering to..

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, luke berryman
wrote:
>
> I agree. I am an experienced martial artist with the JKA and I've
never heard of it either. I suppose it could be the birthday of a
famous grandmaster of the art of Ninjutsu.
> See ya.
>
> Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>
>
> --- keiman0 wrote:
>
> >
> > Why is Dec 5 considered 'Day of the Ninja'? Just
> > wondering. See ya
> > soon-K&K
>
> Care to give us a little more background than that?
> I've never heard of December 5th being "Day of the
> Ninja". There's no "Ninja Day" parades scheduled here
> in Tokyo. Please elaborate on what the heck you are
> talking about.
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:10:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Nate Ledbetter
Subject: Re: Day of the Ninja?

--- Daniel Cooper wrote:

> I just did a google on it, and it is an advertising
> ploy (or a joke)
> from Ninja Burgers. For more information, if you
> are so masochistically
> inclined, go to
> http://www.ninjaburger.com/dayoftheninja/

Likely a joke, if it is from that site.

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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:12:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Nate Ledbetter
Subject: Re: Re: Day of the Ninja?

--- keiman0 wrote:

> OK I just ran 'Day of the Ninja' on dogpile.
> Apparently this is only
> the second annual 'Day of the Ninja' (Dec 5) which
> was begun last
> year by ninjaburger.com They sell Ninja stuff and
> have cool info on
> the Ninja world (we think but are not sure so do not
> go ballistic on
> us).

You DO realize that's a satirical website, right?

> They recommend doing good deeds, dress like Ninjas,
> etc. but don't go
> wild in the streets.

You CANNOT be taking this seriously. Can you?

Criminy.

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#6119 [2004-12-03 20:21:23]

Re: [samuraihistory] : History/Shotokan Re: new subject

by elizabethchase1

Gereg,

I graciously accept your compliment, and I assure you it is a learned trait.

I spent far too many years as an 'Angry Woman'. I can't say wasted, for in retrospect I learned much. The Deputy will understand
when I say I am a former army field medic (and instructor), and former PLDC instructor. The segue into those slots was natural for
me, because of my upbringing. I had much to undo, as I was once a macho-smart-mouth brat who liked control moreso than the usual
person, and had 'something to prove to the men'.

In my early years of Shotokan training I was engaged to a nidan who was an Angry Young Man. My development of kumite skills was the
result of regular 'training sessions' by my intended mate and his friends. I did learn, became tough, and as a purple belt (4th
kyu) was capable of defeating many who outranked me by a wide margin. However, I may have had technique, but there was no peace, no
serenity in my heart. That relationship didn't survive, thank the fates, and let's just say his anger and attitude has brought him
no happy life.

I've had the good fortune to have excellent tutelage and example set for me in several dear friends. I don't know that I follow
'The Way', but I strive to be the same person from the core of my being to what others see, and with my actions. I try to be
honest, and act with integrity. I don't claim a permanent state of serenity, kindness, dignity, or clarity of mind. I have learned
the concept of 'beginner's mind', and have been rewarded with teachers of all ages, cultures, and species.

I'm grateful to be here, and look forward to learning more from some very fine people. I may not be very knowledgeable, but if
someone else benefits from my input, the cliché 'I am honored' applies.

Obediently,

Lizzie

----- Original Message -----
From: Silk Road School
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: [samuraihistory] : History/Shotokan Re: new subject

Milady (and there, in oblique answer to an earlier question of yours, is a
telltale sign of my SCA days back in the '70s) -
I want to sincerely congratulate you on saying the following rather more
nicely than I managed to do, the last time he brought this subject up.
You've covered much the same ground I did, and done it very neatly: but
since you've managed to express it so much more kindly, maybe - just maybe -
he'll believe you. (I've been accused on other lists of lacking that Warm
Fuzzy touch that's supposed to be part and parcel of my California
heritage...)
Gereg (formerly known as Gereg Blaiddllwyd in selected bits of the West and
Caid)

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#6122 [2004-12-04 14:58:09]

Re: [samuraihistory] : History/Shotokan Re: new subject

by ltdomer98

--- Elizabeth Chase <lizzirrd@...> wrote:

> I spent far too many years as an 'Angry Woman'. I
> can't say wasted, for in retrospect I learned much.
> The Deputy will understand
> when I say I am a former army field medic (and
> instructor), and former PLDC instructor.

HUAH.

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#6125 [2004-12-05 10:27:26]

Re: [samuraihistory] : History/Shotokan Re: new subject

by elizabethchase1

*chuckle* Makes me a mother to reckon with...... As I read about the role of the Japanese woman (samurai mother, specifically).
I get a deeper appreciation for how the things I've learned fit into raising my sons.

Now, for you: Are you in a diplomatic slot? Wife get to come with? How does she feel about it? Feel lucky or left out about Iraq
& Afghanistan? How do you feel about Reserve and National Guardsmen being in the majority of the troops and not the Regulars? How
do you perceive the attitudes(in general of course) of Japanese towards Americans? My questions are mostly to get a better picture
of where you are, and to broaden my perspective on things not on American soil.

Obediently,

Lizzie

----- Original Message -----
From: Nate Ledbetter
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] : History/Shotokan Re: new subject

--- Elizabeth Chase wrote:

> I spent far too many years as an 'Angry Woman'. I
> can't say wasted, for in retrospect I learned much.
> The Deputy will understand
> when I say I am a former army field medic (and
> instructor), and former PLDC instructor.

HUAH.

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#6126 [2004-12-05 14:06:19]

Re: [samuraihistory] : History/Shotokan Re: new subject

by elizabethchase1

Sorry, y'all. That was meant privately, but I forgot to check my reply address first. Way too much caffeine <@@>.

Lizzie

----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Chase
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] : History/Shotokan Re: new subject

*chuckle* Makes me a mother to reckon with...... As I read about the role of the Japanese woman (samurai mother, specifically).
I get a deeper appreciation for how the things I've learned fit into raising my sons.

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