How not to learn Japanese

>
>
> From: Anthony Bryant <ajbryant@...>
>
>It is indeed "sa yo u na ra." There are no kanji, as it's a colloquism
>(from sa [thus] you [like] nara [if]) a contraction of sayounaraba (lit.
>"If it must be thus...") which is also near cousin to the popular
>samurai drama "ciao baby" term "saraba" (from sa araba).
>
>Tony
>
>

I used saraba once in Japanese class, my teacher almost choked. Too much
chanbara! I least I know not to use eta and the like. Almost as bad as
learning from anime.

Jim

--- James Eckman <ronin_engineer@...> wrote:

> I used saraba once in Japanese class, my teacher
> almost choked. Too much
> chanbara! I least I know not to use eta and the
> like. Almost as bad as
> learning from anime.

No, much better. Almost as good as yakuza movies. I
love the look I get when instead of saying "Sou desu
ka" I say "Sayou de gozarimasuru ka?"...it's a cross
between "are you nuts" and "are you an alien"...lol



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--- James Eckman <ronin_engineer@...> wrote:

> I used saraba once in Japanese class, my teacher
> almost choked. Too much
> chanbara! I least I know not to use eta and the
> like. Almost as bad as
> learning from anime.

No, much better. Almost as good as yakuza movies. I
love the look I get when instead of saying "Sou desu
ka" I say "Sayou de gozarimasuru ka?"...it's a cross
between "are you nuts" and "are you an alien"...lol



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James Eckman wrote:

>
>I used saraba once in Japanese class, my teacher almost choked. Too much
>chanbara! I least I know not to use eta and the like. Almost as bad as
>learning from anime.
>
>

Each learning method has its own baggage.

Tony

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Nate Ledbetter wrote:

>
>No, much better. Almost as good as yakuza movies. I
>love the look I get when instead of saying "Sou desu
>ka" I say "Sayou de gozarimasuru ka?"...it's a cross
>between "are you nuts" and "are you an alien"...lol
>
>

I've been known to say "arigatou gozarimasuru!" or "katajikenaou
gozaru!" -- gets odd responses. Go figure. :)

Tony

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Could be worse I learned Japanese from a very nice lady who forgot to tell me the difference between male and female inflexions and other subtle differences between the sexes. Consequently I talked like a woman would and most of the guys I worked with in Japan thought I was gay. Nothing like being pulled away by your boss and being told that the company doesn�t like to employ perverts.


Ambrose



Anthony Bryant <ajbryant@...> wrote:
Nate Ledbetter wrote:

>
>No, much better. Almost as good as yakuza movies. I
>love the look I get when instead of saying "Sou desu
>ka" I say "Sayou de gozarimasuru ka?"...it's a cross
>between "are you nuts" and "are you an alien"...lol
>
>

I've been known to say "arigatou gozarimasuru!" or "katajikenaou
gozaru!" -- gets odd responses. Go figure. :)

Tony

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--- Ambrose Alward <ichiban@...> wrote:

> Could be worse I learned Japanese from a very nice
> lady who forgot to tell me the difference between
> male and female inflexions and other subtle
> differences between the sexes. Consequently I talked
> like a woman would and most of the guys I worked
> with in Japan thought I was gay. Nothing like
> being pulled away by your boss and being told that
> the company doesn�t like to employ perverts.

I sympathize. I spent my year as an exchange student
in a family with three extroverted females (mom and 2
daughters) and one very introverted father.
Additionally, when I wasn't with them, I spent most of
my time speaking with my girlfriend. About 4 months in
they started laughing at me, telling me "you sound
like a girl". I got mad--after all, wasn't it their
fault? I WAS imitating them, since that's what they
heard. Plus, at school 95% of the teachers were
female, and they don't teach you malespeak. All the
guys in the class lodged a protest and lobbied for
more male teachers, and at home everyone was put on
notice to correct me anytime I spoke like a girl.
Plus, I started paying attention to men on TV.



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Ewww.....! Guess I'd better pay attention and not learn to talk like the guys, lol.....

Lizzie

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Could be worse I learned Japanese from a very nice lady who forgot to tell me the difference between male and female inflexions and
other subtle differences between the sexes. Consequently I talked like a woman would and most of the guys I worked with in Japan
thought I was gay. Nothing like being pulled away by your boss and being told that the company doesn’t like to employ perverts.


Ambrose




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Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> Plus, I started paying attention to men on TV.

Y'know, taken out of context....


Tony

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--- Anthony Bryant <ajbryant@...> wrote:

> Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>
> > Plus, I started paying attention to men on TV.
>
> Y'know, taken out of context....
>
>
> Tony

*NANI ITTENNDAROU??? TEMEE.....



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Nate Ledbetter wrote:

>
> --- Anthony Bryant <ajbryant@...> wrote:
>
>
>>Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Plus, I started paying attention to men on TV.
>>
>>Y'know, taken out of context....
>>
>
> *NANI ITTENNDAROU??? TEMEE.....
>

Hey, I'm only quoting....

Tony

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Hi Lizzie -

Many years ago someone told me his dojo were being good little
aikidoka and saying 'thank you' to a visiting sensei from Japan
at the end of an evening's workout.

Each time he muttered something in reply, which later none of
them could make out.

One of their number had a Japanes woman working at his company,
and at the water cooler he asked her if she might help him with
translation. She agreed and he repeated what had happened. She
went bright red and walked away.

Some time later she appeared at his desk, and apologised for
her reaction, but explained that it was locker-room talk and
translated roughly as 'up your arse.' (This is England,
remember.)

So I'm thinking you're probably right.

Thomas

--- Anthony Bryant <ajbryant@...> wrote:

>
> Hey, I'm only quoting....

I'd call you a kusogakki, but there are so many other
deserving candidates right now...



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Nate Ledbetter wrote:

>
> --- Anthony Bryant <ajbryant@...> wrote:
>
>
>>Hey, I'm only quoting....
>
>
> I'd call you a kusogakki, but there are so many other
> deserving candidates right now...

Well, there you go. Timing is everything. :)

Tony

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>From: Ambrose Alward <ichiban@...>
>
>Could be worse I learned Japanese from a very nice lady who forgot to tell me the difference between male and female inflexions and other subtle differences between the sexes. Consequently I talked like a woman would and most of the guys I worked with in Japan thought I was gay. Nothing like being pulled away by your boss and being told that the company doesn’t like to employ perverts.
>

Itai!

My second teacher was a little old lady type. One student brought in a
pirated copy of the then just released in Japan 'Akira'. She ran it for
about 5 minutes, mostly because I think she was shocked silly. I didn't
understand a single bit! It did inspire several lectures on polite
speech and men's and women's language.

When in doubt... mumble ;)

Jim Eckman

Thomas,

Good evening to you, and thanks for such a charming story. Yes, I chuckled and shared it with a couple of friends; they're
wondering what the words were. I told them to check out Babelfish if they wanted to know; it'd likely be close enough. I wonder if
the visiting sensei was one who abhorred Westerners. I cannot presume to accord the 'traditional/legendary' traits of detachment
and courtesy to all sensei.

I shall be very careful about my learning any Japanese. And from whom.

Always happy to laugh,

Lizzie

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Hi Lizzie -

Many years ago someone told me his dojo were being good little
aikidoka and saying 'thank you' to a visiting sensei from Japan
at the end of an evening's workout.

Each time he muttered something in reply, which later none of
them could make out.

One of their number had a Japanes woman working at his company,
and at the water cooler he asked her if she might help him with
translation. She agreed and he repeated what had happened. She
went bright red and walked away.

Some time later she appeared at his desk, and apologised for
her reaction, but explained that it was locker-room talk and
translated roughly as 'up your arse.' (This is England,
remember.)

So I'm thinking you're probably right.

Thomas





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