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#4917 [2004-07-28 20:28:23]

Hideyoshi as Naidaijin

by mijalo_jp

Could anyone out there be so good as to be of assistance? In1585 Hideyoshi was elevated to the court position of Naidaijin; therefore inferior to the Udaijin, Sadaijin, and above them the Dajo Daijin. Could anyone tell me who held those positions at that particular time?
Thanks in advance
M.Lorimer


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#4919 [2004-07-28 21:14:59]

Re: [samuraihistory] Hideyoshi as Naidaijin

by sengokudaimyo

Michael Lorimer wrote:
> Could anyone out there be so good as to be of assistance? In1585 Hideyoshi
> was elevated to the court position of Naidaijin; therefore inferior to the
> Udaijin, Sadaijin, and above them the Dajo Daijin. Could anyone tell me who
> held those positions at that particular time? Thanks in advance

In the start of 1585, Nijô Akizane (1556-1619) was sadaijin, but in that year he
was also made kanpaku (an office he later resumed in 1615) but resigned it in
Hideyoshi's favor a few months later.

In 1585, the udaijin was Kikutei Harusue (1542-1617). It was Harusue who
proposed Hideyoshi take the office of kanpaku.

On 7-11-1585, Sadaijin Hashiba Hideyoshi was made kanpaku.

Tony

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#4921 [2004-07-28 21:43:02]

Re: [samuraihistory] Hideyoshi as Naidaijin

by mijalo_jp

To Tony,
Much appreciated
M.Lorimer

"Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:
Michael Lorimer wrote:
> Could anyone out there be so good as to be of assistance? In1585 Hideyoshi
> was elevated to the court position of Naidaijin; therefore inferior to the
> Udaijin, Sadaijin, and above them the Dajo Daijin. Could anyone tell me who
> held those positions at that particular time? Thanks in advance

In the start of 1585, Nijô Akizane (1556-1619) was sadaijin, but in that year he
was also made kanpaku (an office he later resumed in 1615) but resigned it in
Hideyoshi's favor a few months later.

In 1585, the udaijin was Kikutei Harusue (1542-1617). It was Harusue who
proposed Hideyoshi take the office of kanpaku.

On 7-11-1585, Sadaijin Hashiba Hideyoshi was made kanpaku.

Tony

--

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Website: http://www.sengokudaimyo.com

Effingham's Heraldic Avatars (...and stuff):
http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/avatarbiz.html

Grand Cross, Order of the Laurel:
http://www.cafepress.com/laurelorder




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#4922 [2004-07-28 21:58:35]

Re: [samuraihistory] Hideyoshi as Naidaijin

by mijalo_jp

"On 7-11-1585, Sadaijin Hashiba Hideyoshi was made kanpaku".

So on 10 March 1585 Hideyoshi was made Nadaijin, then on 11 July of the same year Kanpaku. So, when was he made Sadaijin?
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#4924 [2004-07-28 23:10:46]

Re: [samuraihistory] Hideyoshi as Naidaijin

by sengokudaimyo

Michael Lorimer wrote:

>
>
>
> "On 7-11-1585, Sadaijin Hashiba Hideyoshi was made kanpaku".
>
> So on 10 March 1585 Hideyoshi was made Nadaijin, then on 11 July of the same year Kanpaku. So, when was he made Sadaijin?

Garf. Brain freeze. Make that "Naidaijin Hashiba Hideyoshi." Sigh... :?

Tony
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#4925 [2004-07-29 01:44:11]

Re: [samuraihistory] Hideyoshi as Naidaijin

by mijalo_jp

Double phew. Honestly glad it was just a brain freeze; had a set of notes readied to pass into the recycling. Thought I had better had check first though.
Thanks
M.Lorimer

"Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:
Michael Lorimer wrote:

>
>
>
> "On 7-11-1585, Sadaijin Hashiba Hideyoshi was made kanpaku".
>
> So on 10 March 1585 Hideyoshi was made Nadaijin, then on 11 July of the same year Kanpaku. So, when was he made Sadaijin?

Garf. Brain freeze. Make that "Naidaijin Hashiba Hideyoshi." Sigh... :?

Tony
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#4929 [2004-07-29 09:15:17]

Re: [samuraihistory] Hideyoshi as Naidaijin

by sengokudaimyo

Michael Lorimer wrote:
> Double phew. Honestly glad it was just a brain freeze; had a set of notes
> readied to pass into the recycling. Thought I had better had check first
> though. Thanks

Sorry bout that. I blame it on the caffeine drain. I was trying to get ready to
crash, and was studiously avoiding replacing the caffeine in my "blood" stream.

Tony
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#4931 [2004-07-29 20:36:22]

Re: [samuraihistory] Hideyoshi as Naidaijin

by mijalo_jp

I quite understand. Don't worry, I won't tell anyone.
M.Lorimer

"Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:
Michael Lorimer wrote:
> Double phew. Honestly glad it was just a brain freeze; had a set of notes
> readied to pass into the recycling. Thought I had better had check first
> though. Thanks

Sorry bout that. I blame it on the caffeine drain. I was trying to get ready to
crash, and was studiously avoiding replacing the caffeine in my "blood" stream.

Tony
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Website: http://www.sengokudaimyo.com

Effingham's Heraldic Avatars (...and stuff):
http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/avatarbiz.html

Grand Cross, Order of the Laurel:
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#4932 [2004-07-29 20:43:12]

Re: [samuraihistory] Hideyoshi as Naidaijin

by sengokudaimyo

Michael Lorimer wrote:
> I quite understand. Don't worry, I won't tell anyone.

Thanks. If anyone had seen that post, I'd be... uh...

Oops.

Never mind.


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