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#4502 [2004-06-07 01:33:51]

Re: [samuraihistory] Nobunaga not quite = Hitler

by cepooooo

On Jun 6, 2004, at 7:08 PM, medhal8@...;-ljon Oddhinsson wrote:

> There is a thing ye hast forgot....
> He was not "playing in his own country". Japan was not a country at
> that
> time, but MANY countries. Many nations.

Many nations?
First of all, there were no such things as "nations," at least until
the 18th, 19th century; second, national identities were then created
according to issues such as language, beliefs, eventually race and
tradition. All things that the Japanese shared. Actually few places in
the world were (and are) as homogeneous as Japan.

> So, he did exactly the same, including genocide against people who
> disagreed
> with him or hated religions... Just like Hitler...

Wait a minute, wait a minute... Do you have an idea of what the
Holocaust was? Hitler killed 5.7 million people simply because they
belonged to a race, or because he considered them inferiors. They were
not people on his path, he sent out over half of Europe his Gestapo and
special extermination squads to get them, and to murder them. Hitler's
"final solution," the ultimate decision of killing ALL Jewish, is
something you can not compare with Nobunaga's will to unify Japan at
all costs. Nobunaga did not build concentration camps where thousands
of people were killed every day after they were exploited as slaves.
And besides that, Nobunaga was born in the middle of a civil war, while
Hitler started a World War... How can you compare them? Hitler lived
400 years later than Nobunaga, in a different continent, and in a
totally different contest.
Sure, you can speculate that, given the chance, Nobunaga would have
done as bad as Hitler, but... ***speculate*** that's it.
History is a different matter. IMHO.
cepo

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#4504 [2004-06-07 08:04:16]

Re: [samuraihistory] Nobunaga not quite = Hitler

by holydemon13

Hey.
Cepo, I completely agree with you. History is quite a different
matter from speculation. Speculating, though, is still fun to do, and as a(n
unpublished) fiction writer, I do it ALL the time with various situations that I
write about. Pertaining to history, I used to do it all the time with the end
of the Tsars when I was a more concentrated student of Russian history, and my
query to Tony some time ago about the alt-history novel about Nobunaga's
sister, O-ichi. But in order to speculate, it helps to know the history anyway.
:-) And history is, IMHO, a fascinating subject anyway. :-)

L8r
Tim


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