Sword names

My brother and I were talking about the samurai swords, I was
wondering about the different names. Isn't 'Daito' another name for a
katana and 'Shoto' another name for a wakazashi?

Diato is the name of the katana and wakizashi together. and shoto is a practice sword i believe for weight training





Tom Hatfield

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Strictly speaking, Daito simply means "big sword" and Shoto "small sword".
Therefore Daito may apply to tachi as well as katana and shoto to tanto as
well as wakizashi. A contraction of the two words into Daisho refers to a
matched pair of swords, one long and the other short. I hope this is of some
help. You may care to visit our web-site on www.to-ken.com for more info on
swords and fittings. This is the site of To-ken Society of Great Britain.
Regards
Clive Sinclaire

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> My brother and I were talking about the samurai swords, I was
> wondering about the different names. Isn't 'Daito' another name for a
> katana and 'Shoto' another name for a wakazashi?
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Mr. Sinclaire, you wouldn't happen to be the author of this book?

http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/1585742821/qid%3D1080869632/249-376
6718-0705954

< Therefore Daito may apply to tachi as well as katana and shoto to tanto as
well as wakizashi. A contraction of the two words into Daisho refers to a
matched pair of swords, one long and the other short. I hope this is of some
help. You may care to visit our web-site on www.to-ken.com for more info on
swords and fittings. This is the site of To-ken Society of Great Britain.
Regards
Clive Sinclaire>>

Tom Hatfield wrote:

> Diato is the name of the katana and wakizashi together. and shoto is a practice sword i believe for weight training

Ummm....

No.

Daitô = "big sword" = katana.
Shôtô = "little sword" = wakizashi.

You're thinking of the Daishô (= "big & little" = pair of swords) and the bokken.


Tony

Hi

he sure is and a great book it is.

I have met him several times in the past, and seen
some of his swords at sword socety meetings and a fine
collection he has.


paul Richardson


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Mr. Sinclaire, you wouldn't happen to be the author of
this book?

http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/1585742821/qid%3D1080869632/249-376
6718-0705954


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I am glad this egroup is attracting some real experts.

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I have met him several times in the past, and seen
some of his swords at sword society meetings and a fine
collection he has.


Paul Richardson>>

Clive-
Very nice to find you here. Love the recent postings on the website.
Looking forward to your contributions here. Your friend in the way,

Tom

I am afraid that I am.

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> Mr. Sinclaire, you wouldn't happen to be the author of this book?
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http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/1585742821/qid%3D1080869632/249-376
> 6718-0705954
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> < sword".
> Therefore Daito may apply to tachi as well as katana and shoto to tanto as
> well as wakizashi. A contraction of the two words into Daisho refers to a
> matched pair of swords, one long and the other short. I hope this is of
some
> help. You may care to visit our web-site on www.to-ken.com for more info
on
> swords and fittings. This is the site of To-ken Society of Great Britain.
> Regards
> Clive Sinclaire>>
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Thank you, that clears up what my brother was
thinking, if there more information I would appreciate
it.


--- Clive Sinclaire <CSinclaire@...> wrote:

> Strictly speaking, Daito simply means "big sword"
> and Shoto "small sword".
> Therefore Daito may apply to tachi as well as katana
> and shoto to tanto as
> well as wakizashi. A contraction of the two words
> into Daisho refers to a
> matched pair of swords, one long and the other
> short. I hope this is of some
> help. You may care to visit our web-site on
> www.to-ken.com for more info on
> swords and fittings. This is the site of To-ken
> Society of Great Britain.
> Regards
> Clive Sinclaire
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "andjoysmith" <andjoysmith@...>
> To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 3:30 PM
> Subject: [samuraihistory] Sword names
>
>
> > My brother and I were talking about the samurai
> swords, I was
> > wondering about the different names. Isn't 'Daito'
> another name for a
> > katana and 'Shoto' another name for a wakazashi?
> >
> >
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> > Samurai Archives store:
> http://www.cafeshops.com/samuraiarchives
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Hi,
I was wondering, Ive seen people refering to a bokuto as a bokken or
vice-versa. Whats the difference between the two names? And question
number two, does the wooden Shoto have a special name? Like the wooden
daito is the bokuto (or bokken)? Thanks!

Tiago

thanks for the correction, i remembered the names were something to that effect (my japanese is so rusty WD-40 couldn't help)





Tom Hatfield

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-Miyamoto Musashi, The Book of Five Rings,

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Tiago
My understanding is that Bokuto and Bokken are interchangeable terms, both
meaning "wooden sword". In kendo we usually refer to the shorter
one as
"Kodachi". Both Bokuto and Kodachi are used in kendo kata.
Regards
Clive Sinclaire

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Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: [samuraihistory] While were on the Sword subject


> Hi,
> I was wondering, Ive seen people refering to a bokuto as a bokken or
> vice-versa. Whats the difference between the two names? And question
> number two, does the wooden Shoto have a special name? Like the wooden
> daito is the bokuto (or bokken)? Thanks!
>
> Tiago
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I only can repeat what Mr. Sinclaire has already written. I am a kendoka too and the only "shoto" we use is the "kodachi". Bokuto and bokken are the same sword and they are written with the same kanji...you can only read them differently but are the same thing!
Daniele

Clive Sinclaire <CSinclaire@...> wrote:
Tiago
My understanding is that Bokuto and Bokken are interchangeable terms, both
meaning "wooden sword". In kendo we usually refer to the shorter
one as
"Kodachi". Both Bokuto and Kodachi are used in kendo kata.
Regards
Clive Sinclaire

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From: "Tiago de Caux" <tcaux@...>
To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: [samuraihistory] While were on the Sword subject


> Hi,
> I was wondering, Ive seen people refering to a bokuto as a bokken or
> vice-versa. Whats the difference between the two names? And question
> number two, does the wooden Shoto have a special name? Like the wooden
> daito is the bokuto (or bokken)? Thanks!
>
> Tiago
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To my understanding the terms are used by diiferent groups of people. in a
koryu you will either refer to your bokuto or your bokken but you probably
wouldn´t use both terms. It in the vocabulary of each individual style.

Karsten

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>and the only "shoto" we use is the "kodachi". Bokuto and bokken are the same
>sword and they are written with the same kanji...you can only read them
>differently but are the same thing!

In fact they are written with different kanji. "Bokken" is
木剣, a wooden "ken" or "tsurugi". Bokutou is 木刀, a wooden
"katana".

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>and the only "shoto" we use is the "kodachi". Bokuto and bokken are the same
>sword and they are written with the same kanji...you can only read them
>differently but are the same thing!

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����, a wooden "ken" or "tsurugi". Bokutou is ����, a wooden
"katana".

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