> who do you think the most famous samurai is?What on EARTH are you asking? Who's the most
> ANSWER ASAP!!!!!!!!!
>
>Musashi.. I dont know of anyone who hasnt at least heard of "Book of
>
> Josh Wilsonwrote:With out a doubt, Miyamoto
>history.
> no,no,no,no,no,no. Usuigi Kenshin is ( I think ) the best in all
>The question wasn't "best" -- it was "most famous."
> Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:With out a doubt, Miyamoto Musashi.. I dont know of anyone who hasnt at least heard of "Book of 5 Rings." It is used in soo many campuses its not funny...
>
> no,no,no,no,no,no. Usuigi Kenshin is ( I think ) the best in all history.
>And more is the pity...
>
> If the question is "best known", then I would go
> with Musashi, at
> least in the USA. No one knows who Uesugi Kenshin
> is here...
>Musashi.. I dont know of anyone who hasnt at least heard of "Book of 5
> Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:With out a doubt, Miyamoto
>history.
> no,no,no,no,no,no. Usuigi Kenshin is ( I think ) the best in all
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
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Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] most famous samurai? ANSWER ASAP
> travis durrant wrote:
> >
> > Josh Wilson <lordwilson@...> wrote:With out a doubt, Miyamoto
Musashi.. I dont know of anyone who hasnt at least heard of "Book of 5
Rings." It is used in soo many campuses its not funny...
> >
> > no,no,no,no,no,no. Usuigi Kenshin is ( I think ) the best in all
history.
>
> The question wasn't "best" -- it was "most famous."
>
> And, sadly, Musashi is probably the one.
>
>
> Tony
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>Not necessarily. Being born into the class was an
> Was Musashi a 'samurai'? Was he a retainer for a
> daimyo or other lord? I
> have never come across any references about Musashi
> being enthralled by a
> retainer bound, which is an essencial part of the
> definition of ?samurai?
> from a historical point of view.
> but, what do you all mean by "sadly" Musashi is the most famous?Basically that there are many, many samurai who should be famous for their
> Leonardo Lessa wrote:Oh come on, he's so cool! I used his business strategy
>
> > but, what do you all mean by "sadly" Musashi is
> the most famous?
>
> Basically that there are many, many samurai who
> should be famous for their
> achievements, but all the samuraifanboys are in love
> with Musashi because he
> wrote a book.
>
>
> Tony
> At the risk of being branded heretical, ITo me, my top two choices (although they
> personally wouldn't have
> even thought of Musashi.
> aren't necessarily myEven if you are in the minority, it's not heretical to
> favourites) would be 1. Hideyoshi and 2. Nobunaga.
> Uesugi Kenshin, Takeda Shingen,
> Akechi Mitsuhide and Tokugawa Ieyasu would round out
> my top six, followed
> closely by Shibata Katsuie and (maybe) Mori Motonari
> and Saito Dosan, but those two
> are stretches.
> Oh come on, he's so cool! I used his business strategyI rest my case.
> to build my dot.com!
>
> And here I am, in the Army now....lol
> As far as who I'Zactly.
> "first" think of when the word is said, I probably
> think of Nobunaga, but when I mentioned Musashi, it
> was not my thinking, but unfortunately what I think
> most people in the West would say.
> Which makes me wonder... If someone *were* to pose"Sou desu ne....*SUCK*...eee to....*suck*...yahari
> this question to the
> Japanese, I wonder who they would name. (After they
> stopped laughing and
> tooth-sucking)
>
> Tony
> "Sou desu ne....*SUCK*...eee to....*suck*...yahariMattaku dôiken!
> Miyamoto Musashi deshou ka?" (The answer given to
> gaijin).
>
> "Nani, sonna baka na shitusmon...koitsu
> omoshireendana...ja, sou ieba...Yoshitsune kana?" (The
> inside their head version)
>
>Basically that there are many, many samurai who should be famous for theirThen many of those samurai fanboys should also love you, too, shouldn't
>achievements, but all the samuraifanboys are in love with Musashi because
>he wrote a book.
> Leonardo Lessa wrote:for their
>
> > but, what do you all mean by "sadly" Musashi is the most famous?
>
> Basically that there are many, many samurai who should be famous
> achievements, but all the samuraifanboys are in love with Musashibecause he
> wrote a book.Isn't that why we're all in love with you?
>
>
> Tony
> who do you think the most famous samurai is?Tom Cruz?
> ANSWER ASAP!!!!!!!!!
>Message: 18he
> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:19:16 -0500
> From: "Anthony J. Bryant"
>Subject: Re: most famous samurai? ANSWER ASAP
>
>Leonardo Lessa wrote:
>
>> but, what do you all mean by "sadly" Musashi is the most famous?
>
>Basically that there are many, many samurai who should be famous for their
>achievements, but all the samuraifanboys are in love with Musashi because
>wrote a book._________________________________________________________
>
>Tony
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] most famous samurai? ANSWER ASAP
> Leonardo Lessa wrote:
>
> > but, what do you all mean by "sadly" Musashi is the most famous?
>
> Basically that there are many, many samurai who should be famous for their
> achievements, but all the samuraifanboys are in love with Musashi because
he
> wrote a book.
>
>
> Tony
>
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>From: Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] most famous samurai? ANSWER ASAP
>Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:28:01 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>--- "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:
> > Which makes me wonder... If someone *were* to pose
> > this question to the
> > Japanese, I wonder who they would name. (After they
> > stopped laughing and
> > tooth-sucking)
> >
> > Tony
>
>"Sou desu ne....*SUCK*...eee to....*suck*...yahari
>Miyamoto Musashi deshou ka?" (The answer given to
>gaijin).
>
>"Nani, sonna baka na shitusmon...koitsu
>omoshireendana...ja, sou ieba...Yoshitsune kana?" (The
>inside their head version)
>
>__________________________________
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> Oh! Please Anthony!!!ummmm....
> "Just because he wrote a book"?!?!
>
> Frantically!!!
>
> Shingen Musashi no Kami Fujiwara no Genshin
> THE Kensei!
>
> He was much more than an master swordsman. He was a Saint of the sword!
> He does not "just wrote a book". He was a great mikkyo gyoja, defeated more
> than 200 warriors with metal sword, using just only an bokutô (bokken), and
> was the patriarch of the Nitten Ryu!
> Oh! Please Anthony!!!sword!
> "Just because he wrote a book"?!?!
>
> Frantically!!!
>
> Shingen Musashi no Kami Fujiwara no Genshin
> THE Kensei!
>
> He was much more than an master swordsman. He was a Saint of the
> He does not "just wrote a book". He was a great mikkyo gyoja,defeated more
> than 200 warriors with metal sword, using just only an bokutô(bokken), and
> was the patriarch of the Nitten Ryu!exigent
>
> If "just this" would not be enough acomplishments... Ye´re a very
> person...him.
>
> Any samurai admirer should at least light an incense in memory of
>This information was taken from:
> Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
> São Paulo - SP Brazil
>Oh! Please Anthony!!!____________________________________________________________
>"Just because he wrote a book"?!?!
>
>Frantically!!!
>
>Shingen Musashi no Kami Fujiwara no Genshin
>THE Kensei!
>
>He was much more than an master swordsman. He was a Saint of the sword!
>He does not "just wrote a book". He was a great mikkyo gyoja, defeated more
>than 200 warriors with metal sword, using just only an bokut� (bokken), and
>was the patriarch of the Nitten Ryu!
>
>If "just this" would not be enough acomplishments... Ye�re a very exigent
>person...
>
>Any samurai admirer should at least light an incense in memory of him.
>
>Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
>S�o Paulo - SP Brazil
>
>>Message: 18
>> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:19:16 -0500
>> From: "Anthony J. Bryant"
>>Subject: Re: most famous samurai? ANSWER ASAP
>>
>>Leonardo Lessa wrote:
>>
>>> but, what do you all mean by "sadly" Musashi is the most famous?
>>
>>Basically that there are many, many samurai who should be famous for their
>>achievements, but all the samuraifanboys are in love with Musashi because
>he
>>wrote a book.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>
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>From: Nate Ledbetter_________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] most famous samurai? ANSWER ASAP
>Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:28:01 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>--- "Anthony J. Bryant" wrote:
> > Which makes me wonder... If someone *were* to pose
> > this question to the
> > Japanese, I wonder who they would name. (After they
> > stopped laughing and
> > tooth-sucking )
> >
> > Tony
>
>"Sou desu ne....*SUCK*...eee to....*suck*...yahari
>Miyamoto Musashi deshou ka?" (The answer given to
>gaijin).
>
>"Nani, sonna baka na shitusmon...koitsu
>omoshireendana...ja, sou ieba...Yoshitsune kana?" (The
>inside their head version)
>
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> rock on.. Musashi is deffinitely my favourite.. Im glad someone else thinx the same..One must ask:
--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "kentguy212002"wrote:
> The question appears who is the most famous general known outside
of
> japan then surely it mustbe adimiral yamamoto of pearl harbour and
> midway fame. Im not sure if his family are samurai stock but the
mand
> deserves at least the same respect.
> rock on.. Musashi is deffinitely my favourite.. Im glad someone else thinx the same..One must ask:
--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "kentguy212002"wrote:
> The question appears who is the most famous general known outside
of
> japan then surely it mustbe adimiral yamamoto of pearl harbour and
> midway fame. Im not sure if his family are samurai stock but the
mand
> deserves at least the same respect.
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> > > Which makes me wonder... If someone *were* to pose_________________________________________________________________
> > > this question to the
> > > Japanese, I wonder who they would name. (After they
> > > stopped laughing and
> > > tooth-sucking )
> > >
> > > Tony
> >
> >"Sou desu ne....*SUCK*...eee to....*suck*...yahari
> >Miyamoto Musashi deshou ka?" (The answer given to
> >gaijin).
> >
> >"Nani, sonna baka na shitusmon...koitsu
> >omoshireendana...ja, sou ieba...Yoshitsune kana?" (The
> >inside their head version)
> Hmm,Technically speaking... was Musashi a samurai?
>
> Posed to my students. My replies were Nobunaga Oda, Uesugi Kenshin,
> Asikaga Takauji,and Yagyu Muneyori. They all agreed with Yoshitsune
> however.
> Of course this was two ladies in thier mid-50's. Musashi NEVER came
> up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cesare Polenghi
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] most famous samurai? ANSWER ASAP
On Mar 25, 2004, at 3:52 AM, Michael Peters wrote:
> Hmm,
>
> Posed to my students. My replies were Nobunaga Oda, Uesugi Kenshin,
> Asikaga Takauji,and Yagyu Muneyori. They all agreed with Yoshitsune
> however.
> Of course this was two ladies in thier mid-50's. Musashi NEVER came
> up.
Technically speaking... was Musashi a samurai?
Ok, he was born in the samurai class, but in the end he had no lord,
right?
So, can't we disqualify him?
I think Nobunaga should be #1, for the way he lived and died.
cheers,
cepo
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>From: Cesare Polenghi <cepo@...>_________________________________________________________________
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>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
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>Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:04:02 -1000
>
>On Mar 25, 2004, at 3:52 AM, Michael Peters wrote:
>
> > � Hmm,
> >
> > � Posed to my students. My replies were Nobunaga Oda, Uesugi Kenshin,
> > Asikaga Takauji,and Yagyu Muneyori. They all agreed with Yoshitsune
> > however.
> > Of course this was two ladies in thier mid-50's. Musashi NEVER came
> > up.
>
>Technically speaking... was Musashi a samurai?
>Ok, he was born in the samurai class, but in the end he had no lord,
>right?
>So, can't we disqualify him?
>
>I think Nobunaga should be #1, for the way he lived and died.
>
>cheers,
>cepo
>
>
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>
>Ouch... yeah... well... kinda...
> p.s.: btw, CEPO, are you an Italian Citizen? Please reply pvt, I
> would like to pose a few questions on Italy.