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#3614 [2004-02-05 11:17:44]

Re:Iaito vs Katana

by keiman0

Does anyone know the basic differences between the iaito or iaido and
the katana? Is an iaido a double reverse blade sakabatou? How about
the ryu styles? Are they similar? Arigato--Keiman and Kei.

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#3617 [2004-02-05 12:12:02]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re:Iaito vs Katana

by eriel666

Simply IAITO is a modern sword made to practice in iaidou. Is not a sakaba sword...problably it not even exists. Didi you see it in RUROUNI KENSHIN?
See ya dude!

keiman0 <KeimanZero@...> wrote:
Does anyone know the basic differences between the iaito or iaido and
the katana? Is an iaido a double reverse blade sakabatou? How about
the ryu styles? Are they similar? Arigato--Keiman and Kei.



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#3618 [2004-02-05 12:31:07]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re:Iaito vs Katana

by keiman0

We did see it in RK but acc to the net you can buy the darn things only they
ain't dull-they are razor sharp like katanas! Arigato for the info--K&K


>From: Daniele Frison <eriel666@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Re:Iaito vs Katana
>Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 12:12:02 -0800 (PST)
>
>Simply IAITO is a modern sword made to practice in iaidou. Is not a sakaba
>sword...problably it not even exists. Didi you see it in RUROUNI KENSHIN?
>See ya dude!
>
>keiman0 <KeimanZero@...> wrote:
>Does anyone know the basic differences between the iaito or iaido and
>the katana? Is an iaido a double reverse blade sakabatou? How about
>the ryu styles? Are they similar? Arigato--Keiman and Kei.
>
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#3619 [2004-02-05 12:58:38]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re:Iaito vs Katana

by goodfella26426

Iaido is the art of drawing the sword (in simplistic terms...not to confuse it w/ kendo, another type of sword art). an Iaito is a sword used for Iaido.. which is... a katana. However, you can buy a sword called an Iaito which is a katana with an unsharpened aluminum blade for safety when doing katas. The aluminum blade also makes the sword lighter and therefore faster. Some ppl who practice Iaido prefer to use whats called a "live blade" which is basicly a "real" katana.. that is a sharpened (maybe unsharped for safety) steel blade so the weight and speed is more realistic..

Wilson

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DATE: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:17:44
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Does anyone know the basic differences between the iaito or iaido and
the katana? Is an iaido a double reverse blade sakabatou? How about
the ryu styles? Are they similar? Arigato--Keiman and Kei.



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#3622 [2004-02-05 13:37:16]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re:Iaito vs Katana

by keiman0

Arigato for the info Josh. We saw it in a ff of InuYasha of all things.-K&K


>From: "Josh Wilson" <lordwilson@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Re:Iaito vs Katana
>Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 15:58:38 -0500
>
>Iaido is the art of drawing the sword (in simplistic terms...not to confuse
>it w/ kendo, another type of sword art). an Iaito is a sword used for
>Iaido.. which is... a katana. However, you can buy a sword called an Iaito
>which is a katana with an unsharpened aluminum blade for safety when doing
>katas. The aluminum blade also makes the sword lighter and therefore
>faster. Some ppl who practice Iaido prefer to use whats called a "live
>blade" which is basicly a "real" katana.. that is a sharpened (maybe
>unsharped for safety) steel blade so the weight and speed is more
>realistic..
>
>Wilson
>
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>
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>DATE: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 19:17:44
>From: "keiman0" <KeimanZero@...>
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Cc:
>
>Does anyone know the basic differences between the iaito or iaido and
>the katana? Is an iaido a double reverse blade sakabatou? How about
>the ryu styles? Are they similar? Arigato--Keiman and Kei.
>
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#3632 [2004-02-05 20:41:39]

Re:Iaito vs Katana

by msr_iaidoka

Keiman and Kei,

Iaido is a style of swordsmanship that deals, primarily, with the concept
of drawing and acting (cutting, blocking, etc) in one motion. The term
itself comes from a man named Nakayama Hakudo who was one of the greatest
swordsmen of the early 20th century. Prior to that, schools of
swordsmanship were loosely called Kenjutsu (sword technique) schools. Not
to be confused with Kendo, the "fencing" style identified by the armor and
the bamboo shinai (fencing sword).
And Iaito is the training blade used by Iaidoka (practicioners of Iaido).
It is, in these modern times, made out of a zinc/aluminum composite and does
not have a sharp edge. These swords are made to equal the weight of an
actual combat blade but without the danger of losing a body part to a
mistake.
A katana is the easily identifiable Japanese sword with the single edge
and the gentle curve.
As for the double edged sakabatou...I know not of such a thing. Though I
have, in my studies, seen a description of one katana with a short cutting
edge on the back of the kissaki (last few inches of the blade).
The similarities and differences between the Iaido/Kenjutsu schools could
fill many, many books. My knowledge only goes as far as Muso Shinden Ryu
(which I have trained in) and what few other styles I have witnessed.
I hope this was helpful in some way.


Peace,

Matt

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#3642 [2004-02-06 05:42:00]

RE: [samuraihistory] Re:Iaito vs Katana

by keiman0

Domo arigato to you MRW and all the rest who aided us in our quest for
knowledge on this subject so sadly overlooked. Guess that means iaido is a
style favored by the Hitokiri Battousai eh?-K&K


>From: "M. R. Williams" <amacobra@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [samuraihistory] Re:Iaito vs Katana
>Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:41:39 -0500
>
>Keiman and Kei,
>
> Iaido is a style of swordsmanship that deals, primarily, with the
>concept
>of drawing and acting (cutting, blocking, etc) in one motion. The term
>itself comes from a man named Nakayama Hakudo who was one of the greatest
>swordsmen of the early 20th century. Prior to that, schools of
>swordsmanship were loosely called Kenjutsu (sword technique) schools. Not
>to be confused with Kendo, the "fencing" style identified by the armor and
>the bamboo shinai (fencing sword).
> And Iaito is the training blade used by Iaidoka (practicioners of
>Iaido).
>It is, in these modern times, made out of a zinc/aluminum composite and
>does
>not have a sharp edge. These swords are made to equal the weight of an
>actual combat blade but without the danger of losing a body part to a
>mistake.
> A katana is the easily identifiable Japanese sword with the single edge
>and the gentle curve.
> As for the double edged sakabatou...I know not of such a thing. Though
>I
>have, in my studies, seen a description of one katana with a short cutting
>edge on the back of the kissaki (last few inches of the blade).
> The similarities and differences between the Iaido/Kenjutsu schools
>could
>fill many, many books. My knowledge only goes as far as Muso Shinden Ryu
>(which I have trained in) and what few other styles I have witnessed.
> I hope this was helpful in some way.
>
>
>Peace,
>
>Matt
>
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#3643 [2004-02-06 10:58:43]

RE: [samuraihistory] Re:Iaito vs Katana

by eriel666

Actually IAIDOU and BATTOU JUYSU should be the same things, whereas IAIDOU is a discipline, something like a martial arts.
Daniele

Jack McElwee <KeimanZero@...> wrote:
Domo arigato to you MRW and all the rest who aided us in our quest for
knowledge on this subject so sadly overlooked. Guess that means iaido is a
style favored by the Hitokiri Battousai eh?-K&K


>From: "M. R. Williams" <amacobra@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [samuraihistory] Re:Iaito vs Katana
>Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:41:39 -0500
>
>Keiman and Kei,
>
> Iaido is a style of swordsmanship that deals, primarily, with the
>concept
>of drawing and acting (cutting, blocking, etc) in one motion. The term
>itself comes from a man named Nakayama Hakudo who was one of the greatest
>swordsmen of the early 20th century. Prior to that, schools of
>swordsmanship were loosely called Kenjutsu (sword technique) schools. Not
>to be confused with Kendo, the "fencing" style identified by the armor and
>the bamboo shinai (fencing sword).
> And Iaito is the training blade used by Iaidoka (practicioners of
>Iaido).
>It is, in these modern times, made out of a zinc/aluminum composite and
>does
>not have a sharp edge. These swords are made to equal the weight of an
>actual combat blade but without the danger of losing a body part to a
>mistake.
> A katana is the easily identifiable Japanese sword with the single edge
>and the gentle curve.
> As for the double edged sakabatou...I know not of such a thing. Though
>I
>have, in my studies, seen a description of one katana with a short cutting
>edge on the back of the kissaki (last few inches of the blade).
> The similarities and differences between the Iaido/Kenjutsu schools
>could
>fill many, many books. My knowledge only goes as far as Muso Shinden Ryu
>(which I have trained in) and what few other styles I have witnessed.
> I hope this was helpful in some way.
>
>
>Peace,
>
>Matt
>
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#3647 [2004-02-06 17:36:51]

Re:Iaito vs Katana

by msr_iaidoka

Mr. McElwee,

Being a budding historian who has seen Rurouni Kenshin I am often torn
between enjoying the show for its great story telling and tearing my hair
out for some of the inaccuracies.
The Hitokiri Battousai, as a person, did not exist. The character was
created based, supposedly, off of three different swordsmen during the
bakumatsu.
As Ms. Frison said Battoujutsu and Iaidou are connected. Allow me to
explain in greater detail. Battoujutsu means this: "sword drawing
techinque." Therefore all Iaidou schools contain battoujutsu since that is
what separates Iaidou from Kenjutsu. However, once the second hand is
placed on the tsuka (handle of the sword) the focus then becomes kenjutsu.
Iaidou schools are a combative mixture of battoujutsu and kenjutsu usually
dealing with the element of surprise, either on the side of the attacker or
defender since no one would go into battle with their katana sheathed.
The other main difference is more philosophical. A Dou school focuses as
much on the mental and spiritual development and the physical development,
which is why it uses Dou - "the way." A Jutsu school, for the most part,
focuses primarily on the physical, the technique, thusly Jutsu -
"technique."
I hope this was helpful. Do not hesitate to ask any questions.


Peace,

Matt

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