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#2984 [2003-12-29 09:14:49]

About Imagawa Yoshimoto

by edynature

I have a question.Imagawa Yoshimoto was Imagawa Ujizane's father or brother????Please tell me.Please reply!!!


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#2985 [2003-12-29 14:42:34]

Re: [samuraihistory] About Imagawa Yoshimoto

by wfield18

I believe it was the father...
Yoshimoto father was Ujiteru. Ujizane's son is
Norimochi.
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#2987 [2003-12-29 17:54:25]

Re: About Imagawa Yoshimoto

by kitsuno

Yoshimoto's father was Imagawa Ujichika (1473-1526). Imagawa
Yoshimoto was Ujichika's third son. Ujizane (1538-1614) was the son
of Imagawa Yoshimoto and Sadae-in (a daughter of Takeda Nobutora).



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> I believe it was the father...
> Yoshimoto father was Ujiteru. Ujizane's son is
> Norimochi.
> --- Edward Alexander wrote:
> > I have a question.Imagawa Yoshimoto was Imagawa
> > Ujizane's father or brother????Please tell me.Please
> > reply!!!
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#2988 [2003-12-29 20:29:14]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: About Imagawa Yoshimoto

by wfield18

Ahh, thanks for catching the mistake.
Ujichika had 3 kids...one was Ryoshin, the other is
Ujiteru and Yoshimoto. Yoshimoto had Ujizane....
thanks

For Ujichika, i have 1471 instead of 1473 and for
Ujizane i have 1671 instead of 1614. I could be wrong
again.
--- Kitsuno <samurai-listowner@...>
wrote:
> Yoshimoto's father was Imagawa Ujichika (1473-1526).
> Imagawa
> Yoshimoto was Ujichika's third son. Ujizane
> (1538-1614) was the son
> of Imagawa Yoshimoto and Sadae-in (a daughter of
> Takeda Nobutora).
>
>
>
> --- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "W. Field"
>
> wrote:
> > I believe it was the father...
> > Yoshimoto father was Ujiteru. Ujizane's son is
> > Norimochi.
> > --- Edward Alexander wrote:
> > > I have a question.Imagawa Yoshimoto was Imagawa
> > > Ujizane's father or brother????Please tell
> me.Please
> > > reply!!!
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#2989 [2003-12-29 20:54:17]

Re: About Imagawa Yoshimoto

by kitsuno

According to the 'Sengoku Jinmei Jiten', the dates for Ujizane are
1538-1614 --

IMAGAWA Ujizane 1538-1614
Daimyô of Suruga and Tôtômi Ruled: 1560-1570
Battles: War with Takeda (1568-1570)
Notes: Ujizane was the son of Imagawa Yoshimto and became Daimyô
following the death of his father at Okehazama in 1560. He suffered
the loss of his Matsudaira vassals soon afterwards and managed to
alienate many of his retainers due to his often thoughtless nature.
Between 1561 and 1565, he felt compelled to execute or quell a
number of his men, including Ii Naochika (1562) and Iiô Tsurutatsu
(1565). He came into conflict with the Takeda and although Ujizane
was the son of Takeda Shingen's sister, the latter invaded Suruga in
1568 while Tokugawa Ieyasu attacked Tôtômi. As Ujizane was married
to a daughter of Hôjô Ujiyasu, the Hôjô offered the Imagawa
assistance but to no avail. By 1570 Shingen had taken Sumpu and
Ujizane essentially surrendered to Tokugawa Ieyasu from Kakegawa
Castle. He retired to Kyoto in 1575 and had hopes that he might
recieve Sumpu once the Takeda were defeated in 1582, but Nobunaga
refused to allow Tokugawa to do this. He eventually joined Tokugawa
at Edo, having taken the name Sôkan and the tonsure. He was
supported by Ieyasu until his death in 1614.


--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "W. Field"
wrote:
> Ahh, thanks for catching the mistake.
> Ujichika had 3 kids...one was Ryoshin, the other is
> Ujiteru and Yoshimoto. Yoshimoto had Ujizane....
> thanks
>
> For Ujichika, i have 1471 instead of 1473 and for
> Ujizane i have 1671 instead of 1614. I could be wrong
> again.
> --- Kitsuno
> wrote:
> > Yoshimoto's father was Imagawa Ujichika (1473-1526).
> > Imagawa
> > Yoshimoto was Ujichika's third son. Ujizane
> > (1538-1614) was the son
> > of Imagawa Yoshimoto and Sadae-in (a daughter of
> > Takeda Nobutora).
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "W. Field"
> >
> > wrote:
> > > I believe it was the father...
> > > Yoshimoto father was Ujiteru. Ujizane's son is
> > > Norimochi.
> > > --- Edward Alexander wrote:
> > > > I have a question.Imagawa Yoshimoto was Imagawa
> > > > Ujizane's father or brother????Please tell
> > me.Please
> > > > reply!!!
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#2990 [2003-12-30 06:33:49]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: About Imagawa Yoshimoto

by edynature

Thank You!!!I had a misunderstanding because at Shogun Total War(i guess you know it)Yoshimoto at the start of the game he has 11 years and Ujizane 10 years.But I think sometimes it's better to trust books than games!Thanks and a happy New Year!

Kitsuno <samurai-listowner@...> wrote:According to the 'Sengoku Jinmei Jiten', the dates for Ujizane are
1538-1614 --

IMAGAWA Ujizane 1538-1614
Daimy� of Suruga and T�t�mi Ruled: 1560-1570
Battles: War with Takeda (1568-1570)
Notes: Ujizane was the son of Imagawa Yoshimto and became Daimy�
following the death of his father at Okehazama in 1560. He suffered
the loss of his Matsudaira vassals soon afterwards and managed to
alienate many of his retainers due to his often thoughtless nature.
Between 1561 and 1565, he felt compelled to execute or quell a
number of his men, including Ii Naochika (1562) and Ii� Tsurutatsu
(1565). He came into conflict with the Takeda and although Ujizane
was the son of Takeda Shingen's sister, the latter invaded Suruga in
1568 while Tokugawa Ieyasu attacked T�t�mi. As Ujizane was married
to a daughter of H�j� Ujiyasu, the H�j� offered the Imagawa
assistance but to no avail. By 1570 Shingen had taken Sumpu and
Ujizane essentially surrendered to Tokugawa Ieyasu from Kakegawa
Castle. He retired to Kyoto in 1575 and had hopes that he might
recieve Sumpu once the Takeda were defeated in 1582, but Nobunaga
refused to allow Tokugawa to do this. He eventually joined Tokugawa
at Edo, having taken the name S�kan and the tonsure. He was
supported by Ieyasu until his death in 1614.


--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "W. Field"
wrote:
> Ahh, thanks for catching the mistake.
> Ujichika had 3 kids...one was Ryoshin, the other is
> Ujiteru and Yoshimoto. Yoshimoto had Ujizane....
> thanks
>
> For Ujichika, i have 1471 instead of 1473 and for
> Ujizane i have 1671 instead of 1614. I could be wrong
> again.
> --- Kitsuno
> wrote:
> > Yoshimoto's father was Imagawa Ujichika (1473-1526).
> > Imagawa
> > Yoshimoto was Ujichika's third son. Ujizane
> > (1538-1614) was the son
> > of Imagawa Yoshimoto and Sadae-in (a daughter of
> > Takeda Nobutora).
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "W. Field"
> >
> > wrote:
> > > I believe it was the father...
> > > Yoshimoto father was Ujiteru. Ujizane's son is
> > > Norimochi.
> > > --- Edward Alexander wrote:
> > > > I have a question.Imagawa Yoshimoto was Imagawa
> > > > Ujizane's father or brother????Please tell
> > me.Please
> > > > reply!!!
> > > >
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#2991 [2003-12-31 08:11:21]

Re: About Imagawa Yoshimoto

by dateyukiie

> Thank You!!!I had a misunderstanding because at Shogun
Total War(i guess you know it)Yoshimoto at the start of the game
he has 11 years and Ujizane 10 years.But I think sometimes it's

konnichi wa, tomodachi,
While I generally like Mr. Turnbulls works in print (although I
dissagree with him on many points...) and while I enjoy the
game he helped author - it is a fine. playable game... I cannot
say that I agree with the games historical accuracy.
Turnbull had to take many ideas and try to combine them into a
playable thing...but it does not follow in any real way a plausable
time line...and the added bits in the "gold" edition are bung...
By setting up scenarios that could be played out in a game like
fashion, Turnbull turned aside historical accuracy, and settled for
a paycheck.
I am sure he knows that, and I am not trying to take him to task...
I would truely like to see a game set up that involves much more
detail - political intrigue...more families...more plausable
variations on time line and equipment...
The evolution that occured in terms of equipment, morals and
strategy were profound during the sengoku jidai...and the game
could easilly show that...(and for buddha's sake, either make the
lovely geisha in the palace room interactive or get rid of her...she
is a distraction!!! :-) )
The game is a good start, and I hope he sees fit to add much
more to it...then it could be a historical teaching tool...and then
would be much more enjoyable...
Even if scenarios end up differently from real history after a solid
start...so be it...at least then one could have a real sence of..."if I
did this under these circumstances, then what might have
happened..."
And if he would like to include the mongol invasions, then
perhaps he should confine them to the real historical setting...


Just ranting thoughts...

Date

Date Saburou Yukiie
Yama Kaminari Ryu
Shi wa hei to de aru - all are equal in the grave
http://www.kabutographics.com (under reconstruction)
kabuto@...

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#2992 [2003-12-31 11:11:09]

Sengoku game (was:Re: [samuraihistory] Re: About Imagawa Yoshimoto)

by cepooooo

On Dec 31, 2003, at 6:11 AM, Yama Kaminari no Date Saburou Yukiie wrote:

> (and for buddha's sake, either make the
> lovely geisha in the palace room interactive or get rid of her...she
> is a distraction!!! :-) )

Geisha?? During the sengoku period???
Talking about historical accuracy...
cepo


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#3114 [2004-01-14 04:54:30]

Re: Sengoku game (was:Re: [samuraihistory] Re: About Imagawa Yoshimoto)

by edynature

YES!!!!!!!!!!!Gheishas were in the Sengoku Period!!!!At least that's what I read in the books.
Edy

Cesare Polenghi <cepo@...> wrote:
On Dec 31, 2003, at 6:11 AM, Yama Kaminari no Date Saburou Yukiie wrote:

> (and for buddha's sake, either make the
> lovely geisha in the palace room interactive or get rid of her...she
> is a distraction!!! :-) )

Geisha?? During the sengoku period???
Talking about historical accuracy...
cepo


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#3116 [2004-01-14 09:07:55]

Re: Sengoku game

by sengokudaimyo

Edward Alexander wrote:
> YES!!!!!!!!!!!Gheishas were in the Sengoku Period!!!!At least that's what I read in the books.

Ummm... no, they weren't.


Tony

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#3117 [2004-01-14 09:25:12]

Re: Sengoku game (was:Re: [samuraihistory] Re: About Imagawa Yoshimoto)

by cepooooo

On Jan 14, 2004, at 2:54 AM, Edward Alexander wrote:

> YES!!!!!!!!!!!Gheishas were in the Sengoku Period!!!!At least that's
> what I read in the books.
> Edy

Which books? Do you have a precise reference? However they're wrong.
The first record of the word Geisha dates 1751. Geisha were
subsequently recognized as professional entertainers by the Tokugawa
govt in 1779. Sure, before geisha there were entertainers and
courtesans 'similar' to them (tayu, etc.), but they were no Geisha
(=artists), more likely, fancy prostitutes.
cepo



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#3120 [2004-01-14 10:38:32]

RE: [samuraihistory] Re: Sengoku game

by trokoshea

If I may. Geishas definitely were active during the Sengoku Jidai. They were
"stationed" in a special urban area (some kind of a red light sector) and
regrouped in houses (same system as today).
Their role should not however be associated with that of a "super ninja" or
have any political implications... to my opinion, their presence in Total
War is not welcome.

Eric

>From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Sengoku game
>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:07:55 -0500
>
>Edward Alexander wrote:
> > YES!!!!!!!!!!!Gheishas were in the Sengoku Period!!!!At least that's
>what I read in the books.
>
>Ummm... no, they weren't.
>
>
>Tony
>

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#3121 [2004-01-14 11:00:19]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Sengoku game

by sengokudaimyo

Éric Chénard wrote:

> If I may. Geishas definitely were active during the Sengoku Jidai. They were
> "stationed" in a special urban area (some kind of a red light sector) and
> regrouped in houses (same system as today).

Again, no.

Geisha are a Tokugawa era development.


Tony

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#3128 [2004-01-14 20:57:29]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Sengoku game

by cepooooo

On Jan 14, 2004, at 8:38 AM, �ric Ch�nard wrote:

> If I may. Geishas definitely were active during the Sengoku Jidai.
> They were
> "stationed" in a special urban area (some kind of a red light sector)
> and
> regrouped in houses (same system as today).
> Their role should not however be associated with that of a "super
> ninja" or
> have any political implications... to my opinion, their presence in
> Total
> War is not welcome.
>
> Eric

(1) Again: geisha were NOT active in the Sengoku period. Here is what
the Kodansha Encyclopedia of Japan has about their history: "The geisha
system emerged around the mid-Edo (=Tokugawa) period (1600�1868). The
first geisha were male entertainers and thus the first such women were
designated onna (female) geisha. Gradually such entertaining became a
female occupation. By the 1700s the profession of geisha was associated
with the government-licensed brothel quarters. From the end of the Edo
period to the present, geisha have had considerable connection with
politics, as the teahouses provided convenient gathering places for
political meetings. Geisha find it professionally in their interest to
be closemouthed about what goes on at these gatherings, but even so,
opposition factions seldom patronize the same geisha."
--- So, as you see, they are a 18th c. phenomenon, as I wrote in a
previous message.

(2) The areas you mention, the Pleasure Quarters as well, were
organized once again during the Tokugawa period. The whole popular
genroku cultured emerged from such settlements.

(3) Geisha had played an important role politically, during the Meiji
Restoration, and even in more recent times in 20th c. Tokyo (tea
politics).

(4) Finally, I believe is a good idea to point out how today's geisha
(and maiko) are NOT prostitutes, but high-class entertainers. While
sexual services were a part of their work in the past, they had always
been different from ordinary prostitutes, for the simple reason that
geisha are trained in the traditional arts - prostitutes are not.
Today's geisha are professional musicians and dancers, and testimonial
of a disappearing past. I know a few of them personally, and I can
guarantee they're fantastic women, whose lives are dedicated to art -
not to selling their bodies.
cepo

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#3134 [2004-01-15 00:00:18]

Re: Sengoku game (was:Re: [samuraihistory] Re: About Imagawa Yoshimoto)

by ltdomer98

Nope, they weren't. Sorry.

Nate

--- Edward Alexander <edynature@...> wrote:
> YES!!!!!!!!!!!Gheishas were in the Sengoku
> Period!!!!At least that's what I read in the books.
> Edy
>
> Cesare Polenghi <cepo@...> wrote:
> On Dec 31, 2003, at 6:11 AM, Yama Kaminari no Date
> Saburou Yukiie wrote:
>
> > (and for buddha's sake, either make the
> > lovely geisha in the palace room interactive or
> get rid of her...she
> > is a distraction!!! :-) )
>
> Geisha?? During the sengoku period???
> Talking about historical accuracy...
> cepo
>
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#3135 [2004-01-15 00:03:05]

RE: [samuraihistory] Re: Sengoku game

by ltdomer98

Eric, hate to tell you bud, but no, in fact, they
weren't. Geisha, just like "ninja" are a Edo Jidai
phenomenon. There were entertainers, prostitutes, and
the like, but no formal "geisha" group existed. They
weren't settled into quarters, and the word wasn't
even used, as Cepo said, until the 1700's. And of
course they aren't connected with super ninja or
anything--it's a freaking game, people need to get
over it.

nate

--- ノric Ch駭ard
<ericvietnam@...> wrote:
> If I may. Geishas definitely were active during the
> Sengoku Jidai. They were
> "stationed" in a special urban area (some kind of a
> red light sector) and
> regrouped in houses (same system as today).
> Their role should not however be associated with
> that of a "super ninja" or
> have any political implications... to my opinion,
> their presence in Total
> War is not welcome.
>
> Eric
>
> >From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
> >Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> >To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Sengoku game
> >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:07:55 -0500
> >
> >Edward Alexander wrote:
> > > YES!!!!!!!!!!!Gheishas were in the Sengoku
> Period!!!!At least that's
> >what I read in the books.
> >
> >Ummm... no, they weren't.
> >
> >
> >Tony
> >
>
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#3137 [2004-01-15 02:59:57]

RE: [samuraihistory] Re: Sengoku game

by nappy_ski_dude

I am relatively new to the scene but I found this which will help I think.

Pre-Geisha

Whilst geisha are relatively modern in their emergence, dating back to the
early 1700�s, �geisha-type� women have existed since the earliest history of
Japan. Two notable predecessors to geisha were the Saburuko, who came onto
the scene at the end of the seventh century, and the Shirabyoshi, who
emerged during the late Heian � early Kamakura period (1185-1333AD).

Saburuko, (ones who serve), were the result of an increasing social
displacement towards the end of the seventh century. Many women found
themselves having to become wanderers, who, in order to survive, had to
resort to trading their sexual favours. Whilst most of these women were from
the lower class, there were among them women who were quite educated and
talented. These particular Saburuko who were talented dancers and singers
often found themselves invited to entertain at aristocratic gatherings.



>From: Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [samuraihistory] Re: Sengoku game
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:03:05 -0800 (PST)
>
>Eric, hate to tell you bud, but no, in fact, they
>weren't. Geisha, just like "ninja" are a Edo Jidai
>phenomenon. There were entertainers, prostitutes, and
>the like, but no formal "geisha" group existed. They
>weren't settled into quarters, and the word wasn't
>even used, as Cepo said, until the 1700's. And of
>course they aren't connected with super ninja or
>anything--it's a freaking game, people need to get
>over it.
>
>nate
>
>--- ノric Ch駭ard
><ericvietnam@...> wrote:
> > If I may. Geishas definitely were active during the
> > Sengoku Jidai. They were
> > "stationed" in a special urban area (some kind of a
> > red light sector) and
> > regrouped in houses (same system as today).
> > Their role should not however be associated with
> > that of a "super ninja" or
> > have any political implications... to my opinion,
> > their presence in Total
> > War is not welcome.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > >From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
> > >Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Sengoku game
> > >Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:07:55 -0500
> > >
> > >Edward Alexander wrote:
> > > > YES!!!!!!!!!!!Gheishas were in the Sengoku
> > Period!!!!At least that's
> > >what I read in the books.
> > >
> > >Ummm... no, they weren't.
> > >
> > >
> > >Tony
> > >
> >
> >
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#3141 [2004-01-15 05:55:25]

Sengoku game (was:Re: [samuraihistory] Re: About Imagawa Yoshimoto)

by undergroundrace

A,thanks.I was misinformed then.Edy

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Nate Ledbetter
wrote:
> Nope, they weren't. Sorry.
>
> Nate
>
> --- Edward Alexander wrote:
> > YES!!!!!!!!!!!Gheishas were in the Sengoku
> > Period!!!!At least that's what I read in the books.
> > Edy
> >
> > Cesare Polenghi wrote:
> > On Dec 31, 2003, at 6:11 AM, Yama Kaminari no Date
> > Saburou Yukiie wrote:
> >
> > > (and for buddha's sake, either make the
> > > lovely geisha in the palace room interactive or
> > get rid of her...she
> > > is a distraction!!! :-) )
> >
> > Geisha?? During the sengoku period???
> > Talking about historical accuracy...
> > cepo
> >
> >
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#3146 [2004-01-15 08:57:10]

RE: Sengoku game (was:Re: [samuraihistory] Re: About Imagawa Yoshimoto)

by trokoshea

And I missed the point by mixing both concepts of Geishas and Courtesans
(which could also be artists, but were not performing in a codified activity
at the time). My sincere appologies to this community for my lack of rigour.


>From: "undergroundrace" <undergroundrace@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Sengoku game (was:Re: [samuraihistory] Re: About Imagawa
>Yoshimoto)
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:55:25 -0000
>
>A,thanks.I was misinformed then.Edy
>
>--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Nate Ledbetter
> wrote:
> > Nope, they weren't. Sorry.
> >
> > Nate
> >
> > --- Edward Alexander wrote:
> > > YES!!!!!!!!!!!Gheishas were in the Sengoku
> > > Period!!!!At least that's what I read in the books.
> > > Edy
> > >
> > > Cesare Polenghi wrote:
> > > On Dec 31, 2003, at 6:11 AM, Yama Kaminari no Date
> > > Saburou Yukiie wrote:
> > >
> > > > (and for buddha's sake, either make the
> > > > lovely geisha in the palace room interactive or
> > > get rid of her...she
> > > > is a distraction!!! :-) )
> > >
> > > Geisha?? During the sengoku period???
> > > Talking about historical accuracy...
> > > cepo
> > >
> > >
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#3153 [2004-01-15 21:14:20]

Re: Sengoku game (was:Re: [samuraihistory] Re: About Imagawa Yoshimoto)

by cepooooo

On Jan 15, 2004, at 6:57 AM, Éric Chénard wrote:

> And I missed the point by mixing both concepts of Geishas and
> Courtesans
> (which could also be artists, but were not performing in a codified
> activity
> at the time). My sincere appologies to this community for my lack of
> rigour.

hey, it's ok! we're all here to exchange information, and geisha happen
to be one of my subject of research.
cepo


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#3158 [2004-01-16 05:17:56]

Re: Sengoku game (was:Re: [samuraihistory] Re: About Imagawa Yoshimoto)

by undergroundrace

Cepo,you're right!!!!I came here also to exchange information and I found a lot of new things!!!!!!!I thought I knew very much about castles but I was wrong!!!!!That's why we have to exchange information to improve our Japanese history!!!Edy

Cesare Polenghi <cepo@...> wrote:
On Jan 15, 2004, at 6:57 AM, �ric Ch�nard wrote:

> And I missed the point by mixing both concepts of Geishas and
> Courtesans
> (which could also be artists, but were not performing in a codified
> activity
> at the time). My sincere appologies to this community for my lack of
> rigour.

hey, it's ok! we're all here to exchange information, and geisha happen
to be one of my subject of research.
cepo


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