On Nov 15, 2003, at 5:13 PM, Atisi Kazuari wrote:
> I know I haven't posted in a while, but in reading the latest posts
> regarding European Knight vs Samurai, one has to wonder how a Samurai
> vs his Chinese fighting equavilent. This stems from spending the last
> 48 hours reading and watching both old school kung(also gung)-fu
> movies and Kurasawa films. Just something to throw out there.
>
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> It actually happened, in Korea, 1592-98. The Ming__________________________________
> celestial army
> crossed the Yalu River and pushed the Japanese
> samurai army way back
> south. It might be said, thou, that the Chinese were
> 300,000, while the
> whole Japanese troops who entered the conflict
> numbered some
> 150,000-and by no means they were all there to fight
> the Chinese. After
> the push South, the situation stalemated, basically
> until Hideyoshi's
> death in 1598.
> A very good article on these battles is in the
> "Cambridge History of
> Japan" vol .4. The book costs $150,- but its easily
> found virtually in
> every university library.
> Turnbull's "Samurai Invasion," instead, concentrates
> mostly on Japanese
> and Korean sources-very few words abt the Ming army.
> I am not aware of any movie about the Japanese
> invasion of Korea. Does
> anybody know of any?? Maybe made in Korea or in
> China??
> Cepo, Honolulu
>
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2003, at 5:13 PM, Atisi Kazuari wrote:
>
> > I know I haven't posted in a while, but in reading
> the latest posts
> > regarding European Knight vs Samurai, one has to
> wonder how a Samurai
> > vs his Chinese fighting equavilent. This stems
> from spending the last
> > 48 hours reading and watching both old school
> kung(also gung)-fu
> > movies and Kurasawa films. Just something to throw
> out there.
> >
> > Atsi
> >
> >
> >
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On Nov 19, 2003, at 9:28 AM, Lee Changsub wrote:
> Dear Cesare:
> Ming dynasty had two separate divisons of the military
> organizations. One group dealt with barbarians like
> Mongols and Manchurians in the North, which favored
> combining calvary and archers(usually on horse) and
> the other group in the South was specialized in
> dealing with the Japanese pirates who were very
> skilled in using swords and spears.
>
> 300,000 Ming soldiers were from the Southern group
> specialized in the Japanese warfare.
> After the war, Yi dynasty also adopted and started
> manufacturing arquebus and put more emphasis on
> training the use of swords and spears.
>
> With regard to the topics of diplomatic issues among
> Ming, Japan, and Yi dynasty, the following book will
> be of use:
>
> The Book of Corrections: Reflections on the National
> Crisis During the Japanese Invasion of Korea,
> 1592-1598 (Korea Research Monograph, No 28)
> by Song-Nyong Yu, et al (Paperback - December 2002)
>
> Song-Nyong Yu was a prime minister during the war and
> was also a very close friend to Admiral Yi, Sun-Shin
> from the childhood. Admiral Yi did not hold any higher
> commanding position until he was appointed to command
> the western fleet through Prime minister Song's strong
> recommendation only a few years before the war. He was
> not even trained for the Navy.
>
> Also, the Yi Royal court published the military
> training manual for the use of spears and swords after
> the war. Its English translation is also available:
>
> Muye Dobo Tongji : Comprehensive Illustrated Manual of
> Martial Arts of Ancient Korea
> by Muye Dobo Tongji, et al (Paperback - October 2000)
>
> Lastly, for the TV series on the war, MBC broadcasted
> the TV series on the war in the late 80's when I was
> in the middle school. It was so good that it got an
> air through NHK(Japan). You may check both of
> broadcasting companies for more information.
> Also, KBS aired the documentray series on the war in
> 1995(?). It was not superb, but you can see real
> weapons used and the battle scenes not great in
> picture but constructed by a group of contemporary
> military officers and war experts. I hope that this
> will help.
>
>
>
>
>
> ������������������������ Sincerely,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ������������������������ Changsub Lee
>
>
> --- Cesare Polenghi <cepo@...> wrote:
> > It actually happened, in Korea, 1592-98. The Ming
> > celestial army
> > crossed the Yalu River and pushed the Japanese
> > samurai army way back
> > south. It might be said, thou, that the Chinese were
> > 300,000, while the
> > whole Japanese troops who entered the conflict
> > numbered some
> > 150,000-and by no means they were all there to fight
> > the Chinese. After
> > the push South, the situation stalemated, basically
> > until Hideyoshi's
> > death in 1598.
> > A very good article on these battles is in the
> > "Cambridge History of
> > Japan" vol .4. The book costs $150,- but its easily
> > found virtually in
> > every university library.
> > Turnbull's "Samurai Invasion," instead, concentrates
> > mostly on Japanese
> > and Korean sources-very few words abt the Ming army.
> > I am not aware of any movie about the Japanese
> > invasion of Korea. Does
> > anybody know of any?? Maybe made in Korea or in
> > China??
> > Cepo, Honolulu
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2003, at 5:13 PM, Atisi Kazuari wrote:
> >
> > > I know I haven't posted in a while, but in reading
> > the latest posts
> > > regarding European Knight vs Samurai, one has to
> > wonder how a Samurai
> > > vs his Chinese fighting equavilent. This stems
> > from spending the last
> > > 48 hours reading and watching both old school
> > kung(also gung)-fu
> > > movies and Kurasawa films. Just something to throw
> > out there.
> > >
> > > Atsi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Wooooha!!! That's quite a bit of useful=== message truncated ===
> information!! Thanks a lot,
> really!!
> Where is MBC from? I assume Koream, can you
> confirm?? Do they have a
> website??
> Gee, gotta get those videos!!! :oO
> Cesare (cepo)
> Honolulu
>
> On Nov 19, 2003, at 9:28 AM, Lee Changsub wrote:
>
> > Dear Cesare:
> > Ming dynasty had two separate divisons of the
> military
> > organizations. One group dealt with barbarians
> like
> > Mongols and Manchurians in the North, which
> favored
> > combining calvary and archers(usually on horse)
> and
> > the other group in the South was specialized in
> > dealing with the Japanese pirates who were very
> > skilled in using swords and spears.
> >
> > 300,000 Ming soldiers were from the Southern group
> > specialized in the Japanese warfare.
> > After the war, Yi dynasty also adopted and started
> > manufacturing arquebus and put more emphasis on
> > training the use of swords and spears.
> >
> > With regard to the topics of diplomatic issues
> among
> > Ming, Japan, and Yi dynasty, the following book
> will
> > be of use:
> >
> > The Book of Corrections: Reflections on the
> National
> > Crisis During the Japanese Invasion of Korea,
> > 1592-1598 (Korea Research Monograph, No 28)
> > by Song-Nyong Yu, et al (Paperback - December
> 2002)
> >
> > Song-Nyong Yu was a prime minister during the war
> and
> > was also a very close friend to Admiral Yi,
> Sun-Shin
> > from the childhood. Admiral Yi did not hold any
> higher
> > commanding position until he was appointed to
> command
> > the western fleet through Prime minister Song's
> strong
> > recommendation only a few years before the war. He
> was
> > not even trained for the Navy.
> >
> > Also, the Yi Royal court published the military
> > training manual for the use of spears and swords
> after
> > the war. Its English translation is also
> available:
> >
> > Muye Dobo Tongji : Comprehensive Illustrated
> Manual of
> > Martial Arts of Ancient Korea
> > by Muye Dobo Tongji, et al (Paperback - October
> 2000)
> >
> > Lastly, for the TV series on the war, MBC
> broadcasted
> > the TV series on the war in the late 80's when I
> was
> > in the middle school. It was so good that it got
> an
> > air through NHK(Japan). You may check both of
> > broadcasting companies for more information.
> > Also, KBS aired the documentray series on the war
> in
> > 1995(?). It was not superb, but you can see real
> > weapons used and the battle scenes not great in
> > picture but constructed by a group of contemporary
> > military officers and war experts. I hope that
> this
> > will help.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Changsub Lee
> >
> >
> > --- Cesare Polenghi <cepo@...> wrote:
> > > It actually happened, in Korea, 1592-98. The
> Ming
> > > celestial army
> > > crossed the Yalu River and pushed the Japanese
> > > samurai army way back
> > > south. It might be said, thou, that the Chinese
> were
> > > 300,000, while the
> > > whole Japanese troops who entered the conflict
> > > numbered some
> > > 150,000-and by no means they were all there to
> fight
> > > the Chinese. After
> > > the push South, the situation stalemated,
> basically
> > > until Hideyoshi's
> > > death in 1598.
> > > A very good article on these battles is in the
> > > "Cambridge History of
> > > Japan" vol .4. The book costs $150,- but its
> easily
> > > found virtually in
> > > every university library.
> > > Turnbull's "Samurai Invasion," instead,
> concentrates
> > > mostly on Japanese
> > > and Korean sources-very few words abt the Ming
> army.
> > > I am not aware of any movie about the Japanese
> > > invasion of Korea. Does
> > > anybody know of any?? Maybe made in Korea or in
> > > China??
> > > Cepo, Honolulu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 15, 2003, at 5:13 PM, Atisi Kazuari
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I know I haven't posted in a while, but in
> reading
> > > the latest posts
> > > > regarding European Knight vs Samurai, one has
> to
> > > wonder how a Samurai
> > > > vs his Chinese fighting equavilent. This stems
> > > from spending the last
> > > > 48 hours reading and watching both old school
> > > kung(also gung)-fu
> > > > movies and Kurasawa films. Just something to
> throw
> > > out there.
> > > >
> > > > Atsi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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