--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "cepooooo"wrote:
> After studying premodern Japanese history for a few years through
the texts of the
> classic American historians (Keene, Varley, Hall, etc.), I finally
got me a couple of
> books from Stephen Turnbull. While he is not associated with any
great University, his
> work seems to me quite interesting. Perhaps he is not an amazing
writer ( imean; his
> style), but he seems to be truly in love with the subject, and I
really like the way he
> fills his books with pictures. I am happy this kind of (perhaps?)
self-made scholarship
> is available.
> Since this is the first time I write, I was wondering what
you "samurai-maniacs" public
> think of Turnbull in general.
> Any book you would suggest in particular?
> Thanx,
> cepo
> Uh oh... Better put on your flak jacket, bullets are about to fly...Ahem.... :o)
--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "cepooooo" wrote:
> After studying premodern Japanese history for a few years through
the texts of the
> classic American historians (Keene, Varley, Hall, etc.), I finally
got me a couple of
> books from Stephen Turnbull. While he is not associated with any
great University, his
> work seems to me quite interesting. Perhaps he is not an amazing
writer ( imean; his
> style), but he seems to be truly in love with the subject, and I
really like the way he
> fills his books with pictures. I am happy this kind of (perhaps?)
self-made scholarship
> is available.
> Since this is the first time I write, I was wondering what
you "samurai-maniacs" public
> think of Turnbull in general.
> Any book you would suggest in particular?
> Thanx,
> cepo
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> Uh oh... Better put on your flak jacket, bullets areLOL
> about to fly...
>
----- Original Message -----
From: cepooooo
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: [samuraihistory] An opinion on Stephen Turnbull's work
After studying premodern Japanese history for a few years through the texts of the
classic American historians (Keene, Varley, Hall, etc.), I finally got me a couple of
books from Stephen Turnbull. While he is not associated with any great University, his
work seems to me quite interesting. Perhaps he is not an amazing writer ( imean; his
style), but he seems to be truly in love with the subject, and I really like the way he
fills his books with pictures. I am happy this kind of (perhaps?) self-made scholarship
is available.
Since this is the first time I write, I was wondering what you "samurai-maniacs" public
think of Turnbull in general.
Any book you would suggest in particular?
Thanx,
cepo
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--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "cepooooo"wrote:
> After studying premodern Japanese history for a few years through
the texts of the
> classic American historians (Keene, Varley, Hall, etc.), I finally
got me a couple of
> books from Stephen Turnbull. While he is not associated with any
great University, his
> work seems to me quite interesting. Perhaps he is not an amazing
writer ( imean; his
> style), but he seems to be truly in love with the subject, and I
really like the way he
> fills his books with pictures. I am happy this kind of (perhaps?)
self-made scholarship
> is available.
> Since this is the first time I write, I was wondering what
you "samurai-maniacs" public
> think of Turnbull in general.
> Any book you would suggest in particular?
> Thanx,
> cepo
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--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "cepooooo"wrote:
> After studying premodern Japanese history for a few years through the texts of the
> classic American historians (Keene, Varley, Hall, etc.), I finally got me a couple of
> books from Stephen Turnbull. While he is not associated with any great University, his
> work seems to me quite interesting. Perhaps he is not an amazing writer ( imean; his
> style), but he seems to be truly in love with the subject, and I really like the way he
> fills his books with pictures. I am happy this kind of (perhaps?) self-made scholarship
> is available.
> Since this is the first time I write, I was wondering what you "samurai-maniacs" public
> think of Turnbull in general.
> Any book you would suggest in particular?
> Thanx,
> cepo
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> Stephen had an interest in Japan and the Far East from his early daysThanks so much Rod. I suppose I was the ignorant victim of (...ahem...)
> and this no doubt helped him in his studies at Cambridge University
> and obtaining a Doctorate from Leeds with his thesis on the Hidden
> Christians of Japan. He has ben a member of the Japan Society for many
> years and is currently an Honorary Research Fellow at the Department
> of East Asian Studies at the University of Leeds. So on one point a
> small correction, he is associated with a great university.. He is
> also associated with the Samurai Gallery of the UK National Armouries
> and has acted as consultant to the BBC, The History Channel and
> "Shogun" anmongst others...
> Well..... Seeing battle lines are being drawn up I\
> had better take up my position on the defences!!
>
> Now, as another english author did say... "let loose
> the dogs of war!"
>
> Rod Johnson :-)
>
>>>>Turnbull has done excellent work in making Samuraihistory ACCESSIBLE. It's popular history--not going to
>
> Just because there is only one show in town, that doesn't
> make it a GOOD show....
>
> IgaNoKami
>
> ==========
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> for an hour;
> set him on fire [by soaking him in gasoline and lighting
> him up], and he will be warm for the rest of his [very
> short] life."*
>
> *Modified for clarity.
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>Valid complaint.
> I'm pretty sure the issue was that he has been
> rewriting old mistakes - he HASN'T corrected them.
> He's been reproducing errors along with his other
> stuff.
>Also valid. Again, never defended him as a paragon of
> There is also the issue of outright plagarism from
> Papinot (not only does he essentially take much of
> what Papinot wrote word for word, but he includes
> the errors as well) as well possible plagarism from
> at least one Rekishi Gunzo picture
> nice having this information in English, but I alsoYep. That's why I said it. He's a good place to
> DEFINITELY agree that I would be very wary of using
> any of his books as a source without corroboration
> from another source.
>
>When did they start selling websites in B. Dalton's?
> I can think of at least one website, too! ;)~
>
> Also, I'm sure it doesn't matter, but my impressionThat's my impression also. That he was an independent,
> was at least at first he wasn't associated with any
> university and essentially was an independent.
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From: cepooooo
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: [samuraihistory] An opinion on Stephen
Turnbull's work
After studying premodern Japanese history for a few
years through the texts of the
classic American historians (Keene, Varley, Hall,
etc.), I finally got me a couple of
books from Stephen Turnbull. While he is not
associated with any great University, his
work seems to me quite interesting. Perhaps he is
not an amazing writer ( imean; his
style), but he seems to be truly in love with the
subject, and I really like the way he
fills his books with pictures. I am happy this kind
of (perhaps?) self-made scholarship
is available.
Since this is the first time I write, I was
wondering what you "samurai-maniacs" public
think of Turnbull in general.
Any book you would suggest in particular?
Thanx,
cepo
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>>>>>I am sorry but I think a lot of the attacks on him arejealous because he is out there knocking the info out
> To be fair, I haven't seen his any of his newer__________________________________
> books
> (from the last 2 or 3 years - Nagashino, The S.
> Korea
> campaign book, Kawanakajima, etc.) so I'm basing my
> thoughts & comments on the previous. I don't know
> the
> level of scholarship in the new stuff. Perhaps he
> has
> redeemed himself.......?
>
> ==========
> "Let a man warm himself by your fire and he will be
> warm
> for an hour;
> set him on fire [by soaking him in gasoline and
> lighting
> him up], and he will be warm for the rest of his
> [very
> short] life."*
>
> *Modified for NF benifit.
> --
> Visit Things From Another World for the best
> comics, movies, toys, collectibles and more.
> http://www.tfaw.com/?qt=wmf
>
> To be fair, I haven't seen his any of his newer booksThe book on the Invasions in Korea (actually the invasion went up to
> (from the last 2 or 3 years - Nagashino, The S. Korea
> campaign book, Kawanakajima, etc.) so I'm basing my
> thoughts & comments on the previous. I don't know the
> level of scholarship in the new stuff. Perhaps he has
> redeemed himself.......?