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#2330 [2003-10-16 06:03:18]

firearms

by byksm

looking for names and brief description or historical japanese
firearms.

the "hand-cannon" and a foot soldiers match-lock, in particular.

thank you.
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ksm

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#2334 [2003-10-17 19:07:39]

Aging samurai

by northdog42

I have been trying to find out if there is a specific term applied to
an aging or "retired" samurai.

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#2339 [2003-10-18 14:59:07]

Re: [samuraihistory] Aging samurai

by Lee Changsub

Well, as a person who had been trained in the ancient
martial arts and strategy at the earlier ages, I do
think that I have some quailification to respond to
this message.

Can a Samurai "retire"? I have not heard of such words
in my entire life. How old was Shingen when he led his
campaign and was invincible against 'young' Tokugawa
Ieyasu and Oda Nobunaga? How old was Yamamoto Kansuke
when he joined Singen?

Admiral Lee, Sun-Shin who was commanding the Korean
Navy during the Japanese invasion in the 16 century
became either a second Lieutenant or a capatian in the
modern military rank when he was 32 years old because
he hurt his left leg during the military officer
selection exam 4 years before. But, he became one of
the greatest warrior or samurai in history.

I am sure that we can find a lot of similar examples
in the western history such as Sir William who
defeated Napoleon.

Although I wish a success in your search for the
Japanese word for the retired or aging(how old?), I do
not think that a samurai can retire even if he tries
hard.






Sincerely,





Changsub Lee, BA.,MPA., MSST.,
MA(soon).




--- northdog42 <northdog42@...> wrote:
> I have been trying to find out if there is a
> specific term applied to
> an aging or "retired" samurai.
>
>
>
>
>


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#2341 [2003-10-19 01:08:11]

Re: [samuraihistory] Aging samurai

by sengokudaimyo

northdog42 wrote:

> I have been trying to find out if there is a specific term applied to
> an aging or "retired" samurai.

Well, historically, retired folk were "inkyo" but that's not anything
particularly "samurai" related.

Samurai was a (hereditary) social status, like the class of the hereditary
knightly class in Europe -- it wasn't a job. You don't retire from a social
class. You die.

Tony

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#2345 [2003-10-20 09:44:16]

Re: Aging samurai

by kitsuno

Samurai did retire - they just didn't stop being Samurai - Mori Motonari 'retired' in favor of his son Takamoto to lead the Mori clan (although he obviously didn't give up his influence on the direction of the clan). I don't think the question was "what is it called when a Samurai stops being a Samurai"....

>>Well, historically, retired folk were "inkyo" but that's not anything
particularly "samurai" related.

Samurai was a (hereditary) social status, like the class of the hereditary
knightly class in Europe -- it wasn't a job. You don't retire from a social
class. You die.

Tony

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#2348 [2003-10-20 18:42:41]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Aging samurai

by nihontonut

If memory serves me right many samurai in their later years would become monks. Would they still carry the dashio?
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Aging samurai


Samurai did retire - they just didn't stop being Samurai - Mori Motonari 'retired' in favor of his son Takamoto to lead the Mori clan (although he obviously didn't give up his influence on the direction of the clan). I don't think the question was "what is it called when a Samurai stops being a Samurai"....

>>Well, historically, retired folk were "inkyo" but that's not anything
particularly "samurai" related.

Samurai was a (hereditary) social status, like the class of the hereditary
knightly class in Europe -- it wasn't a job. You don't retire from a social
class. You die.

Tony

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