swords

Hello to all. I am looking for info and history on the tachi koshirae
type of samurai sword, The info I have so far is that it was mostly
dress, and that only court offials, and high ranking men wore them.
any more info is appreciated.

For the most part, that is the case from what I have seen. I have also read in numerous places that the longer more curved blade was created as a cavalry weapon to maximize the damage dealt to an opponent while on horseback..which is why it was worn blade down instead of blade up like a katana or wakazashi.

Wilson

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DATE: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:56:01
From: "armour3000" <armourbymike@...>
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
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Hello to all. I am looking for info and history on the tachi koshirae
type of samurai sword, The info I have so far is that it was mostly
dress, and that only court offials, and high ranking men wore them.
any more info is appreciated.




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ok, any one have dates that they were used. i am making a full
harness and want it to be in the same time frame.

Armour 3(san)-
Remember that "tachi koshirae" properly refers to the
scabbard and handle while tachi alone is the style of blade, here I
will use it to include both. The tachi evolved into the blade down,
cavalry sword worn by emperors and generals in the late Heian / early
Kamakura period. There is some debate about the dating and the
reasons for it assuming the shape it did. I still agree with the idea
that it was developed as a cavalry weapon. Chinese and Korean
straight bladed swords that came to Japan in earlier times were worn
"slung" from the belt and this custom was followed with the Japanese
tachi that developed from them. I don't think the edge down sword was
something "new" that was found to aid a mounted warrior.
In the earliest days there was little distinction between
courtier and warrior, but by the Kamakura period there was a distinct
warrior class. The tachi they wore were heavier and less ornate than
the Kazari-tachi worn at court. While we think of better swords and
koshirae in the "tachi" class there were in fact many "workin-man's"
tachi with plain iron fittings and leather wrapped tsuka and saya.
While mounted combat gave way to large scale infantry
battles, generals and cavlry units continued to wear the tachi as
side arm. "Fighting" tachi were worn right up until the end of the
Sengoku Jidai and High ranking persons wore tachi right up until the
Meiji Restoration. What your sword will llok like will depend on what
period you want to recreate. I am happy to help if I can,
Tom
(obviously the sword nut...)

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Armour 3-
The question is, is your armour for a mounted warrior or for
a foot soldier. By that time in history the uchi-katana was the most
common side-arm worn edge up thru the belt, often with a shorter
blade making a pair.
For "officers", iron fittings leather covered scabbard, silk
or leather wrapped handle nothing fancy. For generals one would
expect to see brightly colored ito-maki tachi, perhaps with lacquered
mon. At this time there were many high-ranking individuals who were
very serious about war, and may have dressed gaudily, wore
eye-catching helmets but their swords were all business.
Remember the Japannese put great store in the power of their
ancestors so a man in the 1500's might very well be wearing his great
grandfathers tachi, cut down and carried in a new scabbard...
-t

>hello, tom
>thanks for the info on the swords.
>i am an armoursmith, i have been making armour for 4 years now made
>only one samurai harness, now i want one for myself.
>i have noticed that many harnesses have the wrong sword with them.
>i have seen a pic on one harness that was dated to 1200s, but the
>style of sword was that of late 1800s. i am looking to do a harness
>from the 1500s. so i was told the taichi style was the one i wanted.
>any more info on the sword? the one i have appears to have 2 possably
>3 mons on it.

Mike-
Funny I couldn't find a good site with many examples. I have
seen Takayama Sensei's work first hand there is nobody better. Tachi
#12 is my idea of a "fighting" tachi...
-t

http://www007.upp.so-net.ne.jp/m-kenji/tachi-goshirae.htm

Mishima kenji's site, this is excellnt. I remember
when he was living in the UK and I used to go to the
Token meetings and watchin him do kantei, just blew me
away

paul

--- tom helm <junkmail@...> wrote:

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Mike-
Funny I couldn't find a good site with many
examples. I have
seen Takayama Sensei's work first hand there is nobody
better. Tachi
#12 is my idea of a "fighting" tachi...
-t

http://www007.upp.so-net.ne.jp/m-kenji/tachi-goshirae.htm

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how much do origanal swords used in the revalution or older cost? and
does any one know were to get them?

Now days when they make swords the don't spend nearly as much time on them so if your looking for a replica it would range from $150-$600 for a cheap to average sword, but if your wanting to get something that at the very least took about 1-2months to make, you would be spending thousands, shit if it was properly made it would be worth hundreds of thousands and you probably would ever get them in the United States unless you are very, very lucky and rich.

how much do origanal swords used in the revalution or older cost? and
does any one know were to get them?




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Hunderds of thousands?? give me a break........ if it is kokuho or something
similar (a National Treasure) then it could be. Maybe tokubetsu Juyo or an
Important Cultural Object.

Try www.ikkyudo.com , www.nihonto.com or www.sho-shin.com for some fine
original Japanese swords. How much a pre revolution sword costs depends
entirely on the sword and what condition it is in.

Some 14th cent blades are crap and worth less than a couple of
thousand........

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> Now days when they make swords the don't spend nearly as much time on them
so if your looking for a replica it would range from $150-$600 for a cheap
to average sword, but if your wanting to get something that at the very
least took about 1-2months to make, you would be spending thousands, shit if
it was properly made it would be worth hundreds of thousands and you
probably would ever get them in the United States unless you are very, very
lucky and rich.
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> how much do origanal swords used in the revalution or older cost? and
> does any one know were to get them?
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I know where you can find some katanan for thosans of dallorls.



just clickon these shits below

http://www.southwestblades.com/fostprcoka.html

http://www.southwestblades.com/reblrukexsw.html

http://bugei.com/category_2.htm

if you want some bokens here

http://bugei.com/product_879_detailed.htm

http://www.swblades.com/prhawrbo.html

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http://www.thaitsuki.co.uk/bokken_series.htm



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Hi.....you may try these sites if you plan to buy swords made by
Japanese:

1.) http://www.ejapaneseswords.com/
2.) http://japanesesword.net/eng/shinken/index.html

For good quality swords made in the US, try this link:
http://www.bugei.com/bugeiexclusives.html

These are but a few that you could try. Hope this helps.

Best Regards,
Gerald

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how much do origanal swords used in the revalution or older cost? and
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Could someone tell me every kind of samurai sword there is I know some
but some swords still escape my eye. So if anyone can tell me that
would be help full.

am looking to start a sord collection any one know a good place to by in the uk or the inter net dont want to start of too expensive tho to begin with

thanks

Mark

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:27 AM, darklawton@... <darklawton@...

> wrote:

> am looking to start a sord collection any one know a good place to by in
> the uk or the inter net dont want to start of too expensive tho to begin
> with
>

Aoi Art: http://www.aoi-art.com/

They have good, reasonable prices for swords to start a collection.

Just remember, in the world of Japanese swords, $3000 is considered cheap.


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Visit Nihonto Message Board and TheJapanesesword.com
For the best information on swords new and old.
-t
Tom Helm
toryu@...
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- Vergil

On May 18, 2011, at 10:27 AM, darklawton@... wrote:

> am looking to start a sord collection any one know a good place to
> by in the uk or the inter net dont want to start of too expensive
> tho to begin with
>
> thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>



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