Japanese Samurai History

#2256 [2003-09-17 06:05:25]

Nagashima

by brutuswhale

Hi there,

has anyone here visited the site of Nagashima or have any information
on what the main fort/castle looked like before Nobunaga managed to
burn it down?

Regards

Richard

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#2269 [2003-09-19 18:10:32]

Re: Nagashima

by zack24k

Hi,

http://www.mint.or.jp/nagashima/html/page21.htm
explains very little about Nagashima castle before Ikko-Ikki.
It was Jin-ya style, which means it was with single Kuruwa ( to be
honest, i can't think the word Kuruwa is suitable for Jin-ya),
surrounded with moats and embankments.

> has anyone here visited the site of Nagashima or have any information
> on what the main fort/castle looked like before Nobunaga managed to
> burn it down?

Don't imagine the one like Aduchi or Odawara. They're absolutely different.
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M.Nakazaki
afn_mgr@...

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#2270 [2003-09-20 06:16:19]

Re: Nagashima

by brutuswhale

Thanks for your reply, I had found that page too.

Please excuse my ignorance but can you tell me what Kuruwa or Jin-ya
means?

Regards

Richard

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, afn_mgr@g... wrote:
> Hi,
>
> http://www.mint.or.jp/nagashima/html/page21.htm
> explains very little about Nagashima castle before Ikko-Ikki.
> It was Jin-ya style, which means it was with single Kuruwa ( to be
> honest, i can't think the word Kuruwa is suitable for Jin-ya),
> surrounded with moats and embankments.
>
> > has anyone here visited the site of Nagashima or have any
information
> > on what the main fort/castle looked like before Nobunaga managed
to
> > burn it down?
>
> Don't imagine the one like Aduchi or Odawara. They're absolutely
different.
> ------------------------------
> M.Nakazaki
> afn_mgr@g...

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#2272 [2003-09-20 10:11:38]

[samuraihistory] Re: Nagashima

by soshuju

et tu Brutus?
Before the age of large-scale castles, a simple fortification
was set up on the battlefield to protect the commanders seat and or
his sleeping quarters. A simple hut hastily constructed with wooden
sheilds strategically placed all around it and then enclosed with
"curtains" to hide activity within from the eyes of the enemy.
Variations of this may be seen in many a film and taiga drama. These
are called Jin-ya.
A kuruwa is "an enclosure", and I suppose could be used to
describe something as simple as the above though today it is used to
talk about the "sections" of a castle ie; Kaku, ichi no maru, ni no
maru , san no maru...Perhaps they mean "Jinjo" another simple
fortification but with moats and stockades?
-t

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#2273 [2003-09-21 07:04:54]

Re: Nagashima

by brutuswhale

Cheers for explaining Tom,

If I remember correctly the castle at Nagashima was built by one of
Oda Nobunaga's retainers. Would it be that plain and not have a
central keep?

Richard

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, tom helm
wrote:

> et tu Brutus?
> Before the age of large-scale castles, a simple

fortification

> was set up on the battlefield to protect the commanders seat and

> his sleeping quarters. A simple hut hastily constructed with

wooden

> sheilds strategically placed all around it and then enclosed with
> "curtains" to hide activity within from the eyes of the enemy.
> Variations of this may be seen in many a film and taiga drama.

These

> are called Jin-ya.
> A kuruwa is "an enclosure", and I suppose could be used to
> describe something as simple as the above though today it is used

> talk about the "sections" of a castle ie; Kaku, ichi no maru, ni

> maru , san no maru...Perhaps they mean "Jinjo" another simple
> fortification but with moats and stockades?
> -t
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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