Your comments already were an atrocity by itself.
"A swedish king said I'm gonna be
baptised, and everybody who has a porblem with it, chop! chop! One head
shorter. I.E. your king is catholic, now the rest of sweden is catholic."
Ya say like this is not an atrocity?!? I think nowaddays christians like ya
are the same like the Adolf Hitler and that ol' norwegian knew as Olaf, the
Missionary King (who killed more than 4000 at his own country just because
they refused to be baptised on this new faith of "love"). (read Snorri
Sturlusson Olaf's Saga)
Does ye call "some few witchhunts" as just something boring at all?
Is it not an atrocity?
The total UNPROVOKED destruction of the Old Holy Upsala Temple of Ingve
Freyr, lord and the TRUE patron of Sweden of Sviþjód, like Amaterassu
Omikami is for the entire Japan is NOT an atrocity?
Of course! I remember! We non christians don't have a soul, then if we are
buddhists or shinto, or any other non christian religion, it is not a sin,
nor an atrocity if somebody kill us...
Tokugawa Ieyassu avoided the total cultural and religious diversity
destruction of Japan, don't allowing this travesty.
Tokugawa gave total incentive to cultural development with the peace he
achieved with his policies. And even much of the Kenjitsu styles enriched
themselves in an cultural way that was rarelly compared to other ages.
Come on... mr
danyael_x@... we are people too...
Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
São Paulo - SP Brasil
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:37:01 +0200
From: "Chris Danyael X" <
danyael_x@...>
Subject: Autrocities in Seden by the Catholic Churc? Plz Explain... Was:
Tokugawa Evil? was:/Re: hey
Hi!
I'm a lurker of this mailing list; that means i read it but shut up
since I realize i really cant add anything to the discussions here.
Until now that is.
Note: This is mainly written in an Ironic and sarcastic tone, and the
dates ar approximately right, I may be off by +
+/- 75 years or so. Never really botherd with dates.
I just so happen to live in Sweden, the southern part of Sweden. History
is my favourite hobby, and I really cant recall any autrocities done by
the catholic curch to us. In teh begining when some monks came to our
country (were talking 600-800AD) we killed the anoying ones direktly,
and left the harmless ones to to what ever they wanted, as long as they
didnt piss us off. Not untill the 1300AD I think (Not sure on exact
dates, may be later may be sooner) A swedish king said I'm gonna be
baptised, and everybody who has a porblem with it, chop! chop! One head
shorter. I.E. your king is catholic, now the rest of sweden is catholic.
This held up for a time, and we had the usual witchhunts and stuff, but
noting to out of place in Europe during 1400-1600. Then a jolly good'ol
chap named Gustav Wasa, decided to change from catholic to protestant,
and the chatolic got thrown out. tyhis was maily done outof economic
reasons. The catholic curch is sinfully rich, but the protestants favour
poverty, ie more taxes to the King. yay! If i remember correctly this is
some where during the begining of 1500. And since then we have had wars
with polen, Turkey, Russia, Norway, Denmark, Finland, And a few others
that just so happend to be on the way to Polen and Turkey. I have no
recoolection what so ever of autrocities of the scale of the spanish and
portugal in South america, or the english men in China, or the french
and Dutch in Africa. Who, in the name of the pop enslaved ppl for the
sake of christianity.
Nope, we are friendly, peacefull people in Sweden, and as such we have
been treated nicely by the Father.
Well thats what I remember from my history lessons in my 12 year carer
of grammar school, junior high and highschool.
Now what was the autricities you were talking about?
Apart from the usual witchhunts and heretic slaying, of the dark ages?
/// Chris D. Vighagen
Student Medieinformatik www.HKR.se
Projektledare Kristianstad Student TV (KSTV)
Mobil: 070-3360804
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meðal Mikit Stór-ljon Oddhinsson [mailto:medhal8@...]
> Sent: den 3 juni 2003 21:53
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [samuraihistory] Tokugawa Evil? was:/Re: hey
>
>
> Greetings Tom
>
> Sorry Tom, but I STRONGLY disagree with ya.
> Although personatelly, unlike most people of my country, I
> was pro the league USA/UK against terrorism and Saddan, and
> proud of my japanese ancestry when Japan did diplomatic
> support to USA at this event against the terrorism, I am impartial.
>
> In THIS specifical case, USA was totally evil, because
> Tokugawa was not a bad man. Much of his deeds was in part,
> responsible for the greatness of the Japan of nowaddays.
>
> Tokugawa was responsible for the end of the several wars
> inside Japan and the unification of it. Tokugawa did great
> deeds for the cultural preservation of Japan, and there is
> much of Tokugawa's hand in therms of incentive about the
> development of Samurai Culture and heritage.
>
> Ieyassu Tokugawa is a name to be listed between the great
> historic statesmen leaders just like Julius Caesar Augustus,
> Alexander The Great and others.
>
> Even Sid Meyer's Civilization I for Windows95 mentioned Tokugawa.
>
> And the Tokugawa procedures against christianism's
> infiltration and political conspiracy avoided the several
> atrocities that happened against the other religions that
> christianism promoted in other countries just like Denmark,
> Sweden, Norway, Spain and others, just to name a few cases.
>
> To be anti-tokugawa is to be against the samurai spirit and culture.
>
> Sincerelly
>
> Octavio Augusto Okimoto Alves de Carvalho
> São Paulo - SP Brazil
>
>
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:05:07 -0700
> From: tom helm <junkmail@...>
> Subject: Re: hey
>
> Paul et al-
> I like the idea of the story as well. Why not then tell the
> true story of the actual American Arms dealer, Thomas Glover,
> who sold Civil war surplus to the anti-Tokugawa forces?(this
> may be the one and only time American arms dealers were
> supplying the forces of
> good) One of my favorite photographs from the period shows
> him in Nagasaki I believe, surrounded by Satsuma shishi, at
> his side is his very young son. I always wished I could be
> that kid. If one must create fiction from history imagine all
> that could be done, telling the tale of that young mans life... -t
>
>
>
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