A shogun total war question

Hi all

I have a question about total war, it is a bit off topic, but is
related to samurai of course. I wondered if anyone knows the
difference between the Japanese and European versions, besides the
language. I have found this website. It is excellent
http://shogun23.hypermart.net/index2.htm please click on the 2nd
kanji from left then find the units and building pages, is it me or
are the units different. There is a unit called the father visitor,
bizarre. I wonder if It realtes to a Jesuit father? historically
accurate. Plus there are 5 types of castles etc. I am confused
greatly. If anyone knows can you message back. I wanted to post this
question on the totalwar.org board but I cant get it work, also if
anyone knows about this? Last thing I will say I really enjoy total
war it is an excellent game, it has I am sure done a great service to
Japanese history interest. It is reasonably historically accurate,
Stephen Turnbull helped on it, it is one thing I would compliment him
for. Now the Medieval version is out on the 30th in the UK I can't
wait. But even though it supposedly rocks, I would have preferred
more on the sengoku Jidai, perhaps, all throughout Japans history. We
should not forget shogun, now it's European cousin is around, Me for
one will be loyal, well until the 30th anyroad! ohh well I can dream,
it will happen one day we all know. Ok then, my next post will be
more historical, perhaps, possibly on Japanese mercaneries in India?
hmmmm,

All the best then Mark

That's a Chinese site....

--- In samuraihistory@y..., "samurai182uk" wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I have a question about total war, it is a bit off topic, but is
> related to samurai of course. I wondered if anyone knows the
> difference between the Japanese and European versions, besides the
> language. I have found this website. It is excellent
> http://shogun23.hypermart.net/index2.htm please click on the 2nd
> kanji from left then find the units and building pages, is it me or
> are the units different. There is a unit called the father visitor,
> bizarre. I wonder if It realtes to a Jesuit father? historically
> accurate. Plus there are 5 types of castles etc. I am confused
> greatly. If anyone knows can you message back. I wanted to post this
> question on the totalwar.org board but I cant get it work, also if
> anyone knows about this? Last thing I will say I really enjoy total
> war it is an excellent game, it has I am sure done a great service to
> Japanese history interest. It is reasonably historically accurate,
> Stephen Turnbull helped on it, it is one thing I would compliment him
> for. Now the Medieval version is out on the 30th in the UK I can't
> wait. But even though it supposedly rocks, I would have preferred
> more on the sengoku Jidai, perhaps, all throughout Japans history. We
> should not forget shogun, now it's European cousin is around, Me for
> one will be loyal, well until the 30th anyroad! ohh well I can dream,
> it will happen one day we all know. Ok then, my next post will be
> more historical, perhaps, possibly on Japanese mercaneries in India?
> hmmmm,
>
> All the best then Mark

Hello, I'm new and you can call me Cherry.
I watch a lot of Rurouni Kenshin and I wonder what the
Shinsengumi is.
What is the Shinsengumi?
Thanks,
Cherry

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Hi Cherry..
The Shinsengumi were one of several groups set up in Japan at the end of the
Edo period (Around the late 1860's) in an attempt to stabilise the
governments hold over both the general populace and the Daimyo who saw the
weakness' in the control the Tokugawa Shogunate had over things at the
time...Weakness that was added to by the foreigners appearance and demands
upon Japan and the Shogunates handling of several political dilemmas during
the period....These groups were essentially little more than political armed
police...Many had a political agenda and were used to reinforce ideas in
government. The power gained by these groups was immense and the Shinsengumi
were a major group working with the aims of keeping the Samurai in power
rather than restoring the emperors power to rule Japan.
A good book to start you off with a bit more info would be 'Samurai
sketches' by Romulus Hillsborough...A collection of 'tidbits' from around
that time and a good filler for a general idea of the whole situation then..
HTH..
Abayo.
Ben Sharples

Jansen suspects the Shinsengumi ("recruited from ronin in Kyoto") as
being implicated in Sakamoto Ryoma's assassination.

--
Gillian

Hello All,
I recall someone on this list with questions regarding the
Shinsengumi, so I thought I'd let that person know that I found a
great sounding movie on Ebay listed as "Band of Assassins". It's
Japanese title is Shinsengumi and it stars Toshiro Mifune. It ends
in about 8 hours.

Anybody out there senn this one?
-Joe

> Hello All,
> I recall someone on this list with questions regarding the
> Shinsengumi, so I thought I'd let that person know that I found a
> great sounding movie on Ebay listed as "Band of Assassins". It's
> Japanese title is Shinsengumi and it stars Toshiro Mifune. It ends
> in about 8 hours.
>
> Anybody out there senn this one?

It's not the best movie on the Shinsengumi, despite featuring Toshiro
Mifune as Kondo Isami. Not much historical accuracy either, though I
haven't seen any movie on the Shinsengumi that is historically
accurate so far. But for those who have never watched any movie
featuring Shinsengumi (except Gohatto), then I guess it may be
something enjoyable.


Serizawa Kamo

All--

Okay, I'm finally here in Japan, just settled on a 4
bedroom house in Yoyogi (God I love what the
government does for me!) and celebrated last night by
watching Karakuri Terebi and the first installment of
the Shinsengumi Taiga Drama last night. I liked it,
but unlike when I watch Hideyoshi or Nobunaga or Aoi
Sandai, for example, I'm not all that familiar with
the story. Any recommendations (in English, if
possible...I've got my fill translating military
documents for the moment) of books to check out that
can give me a roadmap here? I'm vaguely familiar with
Sakamoto Ryoma from history class, but was a little
confused with Kondo Isami and the guy he was chasing
in the beginning of the show, but apparently was
friends with 10 years before (when they flashed
back--William Letham, I know you watched it last
night, help with his name??).

Thanks for the assitance--I was surprised a little
with Katori Shingo's performance (good, so far) and of
course as it has Sawaguchi Yasuko in it, I'm happy.
Another question for William--is the woman playing
Kondo Isami's mother the same woman who was
Mitsuhide's mother in "Hideyoshi"?? Sokkuri but I
couldn't catch the name.

Speaking of Hideyoshi, Kitsuno, I see you've got
Ishikawa Goemon as the Samurai of the Month on the
website--I just watched the episode where he gets
boiled in oil...a little different than the
description you've got, eh?

Thanks all!

Mata!

Nate

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"I'm not all that familiar with
the story. Any recommendations (in English, if
possible...I've got my fill translating military
documents for the moment) of books to check out that
can give me a roadmap here? I'm vaguely familiar with
Sakamoto Ryoma from history class, but was a little
confused with Kondo Isami and the guy he was chasing
in the beginning of the show, but apparently was
friends with 10 years before (when they flashed
back--William Letham, I know you watched it last
night, help with his name??). "

His name was Kastura Kogoro

For a synopsis of the first few episodes try here
http://www.nhk-jn.co.jp/wp/best_e.htm

For books on the era try
Beasley The Meiji Restoration
Totman The Collapse of the Tokugawa Bakufu
Jansen Sakamoto Ryoma and the Meiji Restoration
Thomas Huber The Revolutionary Origins of Modern Japan

In addition you might try two of Romulos Hillsborough's books, Ryoma,
Samurai Sketches. They are not particularly well written by they have a lot
of good info.

You might also try one of the series guides that are in the bookstores.
Particularly the official NHK one (with Kondo Isami/Shigo-kun on the cover)
They have pix of all the stars and the characters they play. Thankfully this
one is done in hiragana, better to read.

"Another question for William--is the woman playing
Kondo Isami's mother the same woman who was
Mitsuhide's mother in "Hideyoshi"?? Sokkuri but I
couldn't catch the name. "

Yes that's right. Her name is Nogiwa Yoko

By the way do you have access to cable or skyperfect yet. The first episode
of Nobunaga was repeated on Saturday; Onna Taiko-ki will be in February and
Tokugawa Ieyasu will start in march!!!!!

Konnichi Wa Hazu-Did you know that Ishikawa Goemon is also the name of a
member of Lupin III's hazu (gang). The others are Fujiko Mine and Daisuke
Jigen. Lupin III is the grandson of the infamous Arsene Lupin the suave and
sophisticated art thief from 1920's France. The most famous duo to play
the roles of Lupin and his nemesis on the Surete in Paris were the
Barrymores. The father (Lionel) played the Surete inspector whose name I
don't recall (in Lupin III anime he is named Zenigato and is a bumbling
idiot a la Peter Sellers' Inspector Clouseau character in the "pink Panther"
films) while the son (John) played Lupin himself to perfection. Goemon's
voice is Lex Lang who also voices Sagara Sanosuke on Rurouni Kenshin. In
Lupin Goemon is a "jiti lito"(spelling) master and uses a
katana with amazing speed and accuracy. He can also predict Lupin's fate by
the "shadow" on the
blade. Cool! We never knew that there was a REAL Goemon in Japanese history.
Wonder if Jigen and Fujicakes have similar correlations? There WAS a real
art thief/swindler named Arsene Lupin in France but he was earlier than the
1920's. We believe that David Niven's "Raffles" character was based on
Lupin. BTW, Lupin III is on Sunday(early Monday) through Thursday(early
Friday) evenings at 1:30 AM EDT/EST (1 AM on Sundays) on the Cartoon
Network. Channel 58 on Comcast here in
Brookhaven PA-USA. Check it out if ya want-we'll answer any questions you
have too. Ja Mata from Keiman and Kei.

>From: Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [samuraihistory] Shinsengumi
>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 23:35:55 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>All--
>
>Okay, I'm finally here in Japan, just settled on a 4
>bedroom house in Yoyogi (God I love what the
>government does for me!) and celebrated last night by
>watching Karakuri Terebi and the first installment of
>the Shinsengumi Taiga Drama last night. I liked it,
>but unlike when I watch Hideyoshi or Nobunaga or Aoi
>Sandai, for example, I'm not all that familiar with
>the story. Any recommendations (in English, if
>possible...I've got my fill translating military
>documents for the moment) of books to check out that
>can give me a roadmap here? I'm vaguely familiar with
>Sakamoto Ryoma from history class, but was a little
>confused with Kondo Isami and the guy he was chasing
>in the beginning of the show, but apparently was
>friends with 10 years before (when they flashed
>back--William Letham, I know you watched it last
>night, help with his name??).
>
>Thanks for the assitance--I was surprised a little
>with Katori Shingo's performance (good, so far) and of
>course as it has Sawaguchi Yasuko in it, I'm happy.
>Another question for William--is the woman playing
>Kondo Isami's mother the same woman who was
>Mitsuhide's mother in "Hideyoshi"?? Sokkuri but I
>couldn't catch the name.
>
>Speaking of Hideyoshi, Kitsuno, I see you've got
>Ishikawa Goemon as the Samurai of the Month on the
>website--I just watched the episode where he gets
>boiled in oil...a little different than the
>description you've got, eh?
>
>Thanks all!
>
>Mata!
>
>Nate
>
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Jack McElwee wrote:

> Cool! We never knew that there was a REAL Goemon in Japanese history.

What you mean "we," paleface?


Tony

Kei and I tomo ours of course!--K&K

>From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Shinsengumi
>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:44:53 -0500
>
>Jack McElwee wrote:
>
> > Cool! We never knew that there was a REAL Goemon in Japanese history.
>
>
>What you mean "we," paleface?
>
>
>Tony
>

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--- William&Mikiko Letham <mickey.letham@...>
wrote:

>>
> His name was Kastura Kogoro
>

Domo...

> For a synopsis of the first few episodes try here
> http://www.nhk-jn.co.jp/wp/best_e.htm
>
>
> You might also try one of the series guides that are
> in the bookstores.
> Particularly the official NHK one (with Kondo
> Isami/Shigo-kun on the cover)
> They have pix of all the stars and the characters
> they play. Thankfully this
> one is done in hiragana, better to read.

I also just bought the rekishi manga series on the
Bakumatsu, with the Shinsengumi in it--I can't
remember right now the name of the series, but it's
the one I was reading here as a student suu-nen mae. I
figure it's as good a way as any, and i might actually
understand some of it.

> Yes that's right. Her name is Nogiwa Yoko

She's SOOOO good at playing Onibaba!

>
> By the way do you have access to cable or skyperfect
> yet. The first episode
> of Nobunaga was repeated on Saturday; Onna Taiko-ki
> will be in February and
> Tokugawa Ieyasu will start in march!!!!!

I'll be getting SkyPerfect at my house in Yoyogi...I
won't move in for another week or so, but that's
negotiated into my lease. I've got the first episode
of Nobunaga, King of Zipangu on tape, watched part of
it last night--the rest I'l have to catch once I'm in
the house...

so does the jidai geki channel come with Sky Perfect,
or is it something seperate I have to order??

Nate


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So does it look like the Shinsengumi drama will be worth watching?
It will probably start coming into the Japanese vid store here in a
few weeks, but I don't know, I had no interest in Musashi, and I
couldn't bear 'Toshie to Matsu' and didn't get beyond the first
episode, so I don't know... I haven't really liked a Taiga drama
since Tokugawa Yoshinobu. But much like William and 'The Last
Samurai', I had to listen to my wife talk about how Kokkoii "Mok-kun"
was the whole time. Motoki Masahiro usually comes across as too
effeminate in a lot of his other shows and movies (like, say, as the
gay nightclub partyboy in 'Gonin', for example), but I thought he was
real good in Tokugawa Yoshinobu.


--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Nate Ledbetter
wrote:

>
> --- William&Mikiko Letham
> wrote:
> >>
> > His name was Kastura Kogoro
> >
> Domo...
>
> > For a synopsis of the first few episodes try here
> > http://www.nhk-jn.co.jp/wp/best_e.htm
> >
> >
> > You might also try one of the series guides that are
> > in the bookstores.
> > Particularly the official NHK one (with Kondo
> > Isami/Shigo-kun on the cover)
> > They have pix of all the stars and the characters
> > they play. Thankfully this
> > one is done in hiragana, better to read.
>
> I also just bought the rekishi manga series on the
> Bakumatsu, with the Shinsengumi in it--I can't
> remember right now the name of the series, but it's
> the one I was reading here as a student suu-nen mae. I
> figure it's as good a way as any, and i might actually
> understand some of it.
>
>
> > Yes that's right. Her name is Nogiwa Yoko
>
> She's SOOOO good at playing Onibaba!
>
> >
> > By the way do you have access to cable or skyperfect
> > yet. The first episode
> > of Nobunaga was repeated on Saturday; Onna Taiko-ki
> > will be in February and
> > Tokugawa Ieyasu will start in march!!!!!
>
> I'll be getting SkyPerfect at my house in Yoyogi...I
> won't move in for another week or so, but that's
> negotiated into my lease. I've got the first episode
> of Nobunaga, King of Zipangu on tape, watched part of
> it last night--the rest I'l have to catch once I'm in
> the house...
>
> so does the jidai geki channel come with Sky Perfect,
> or is it something seperate I have to order??
>
> Nate

"Shingo Katori who was born in 1977 plays the leading character,
Isami Kondo."

SMAP!?! They still let those guys do Jidai Geki?? I would have
thought after KimuTaku played Oda Nobunaga, they would have been
banned from Jidai Geki for eternity. Or should be.

> For a synopsis of the first few episodes try here
> http://www.nhk-jn.co.jp/wp/best_e.htm

On Jan 12, 2004, at 7:15 PM, Kitsuno wrote:

> "Shingo Katori who was born in 1977 plays the leading character,
> Isami Kondo."
>
> SMAP!?!  They still let those guys do Jidai Geki?? I would have
> thought after KimuTaku played Oda Nobunaga, they would have been
> banned from Jidai Geki for eternity. Or should be.

Perhaps you haven't seen him in 47/1, the 300th redemption of
Chushingura.
I believe nowadays, in a sword duel Kimtaku might lose to... ehm... Tom
Cruise - Damn, he was bad!
:oD
cepo


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No, it was Katsura...William answered it for me, and
gave me some sources to read, but if you care to share
your knowledge, of course it would be greatly
appreciated. For the moment i don't have access to the
discussion board, just the email. Thanks

Nate

--- Kyle Segall <klancesegall@...> wrote:

>
>
> Well, as you know, I can't see the drama like you,
> but i can offer
> my fair knowledge of the shinsengumi. was perhaps
> the person kondou
> was chasing in the begining Yamanami Seisuke?
>
> --- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Nate
> Ledbetter
> wrote:
> >
> > All--
> >
> > Okay, I'm finally here in Japan, just settled on a
> 4
> > bedroom house in Yoyogi (God I love what the
> > government does for me!) and celebrated last night
> by
> > watching Karakuri Terebi and the first installment
> of
> > the Shinsengumi Taiga Drama last night. I liked
> it,
> > but unlike when I watch Hideyoshi or Nobunaga or
> Aoi
> > Sandai, for example, I'm not all that familiar
> with
> > the story. Any recommendations (in English, if
> > possible...I've got my fill translating military
> > documents for the moment) of books to check out
> that
> > can give me a roadmap here? I'm vaguely familiar
> with
> > Sakamoto Ryoma from history class, but was a
> little
> > confused with Kondo Isami and the guy he was
> chasing
> > in the beginning of the show, but apparently was
> > friends with 10 years before (when they flashed
> > back--William Letham, I know you watched it last
> > night, help with his name??).
> >
> > Thanks for the assitance--I was surprised a little
> > with Katori Shingo's performance (good, so far)
> and of
> > course as it has Sawaguchi Yasuko in it, I'm
> happy.
> > Another question for William--is the woman playing
> > Kondo Isami's mother the same woman who was
> > Mitsuhide's mother in "Hideyoshi"?? Sokkuri but I
> > couldn't catch the name.
> >
> > Speaking of Hideyoshi, Kitsuno, I see you've got
> > Ishikawa Goemon as the Samurai of the Month on the
> > website--I just watched the episode where he gets
> > boiled in oil...a little different than the
> > description you've got, eh?
> >
> > Thanks all!
> >
> > Mata!
> >
> > Nate
> >
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Seemed good so far...like I said, Sawaguchi Yasuko...
*sigh*

Shingo was a little wooden, but he's my *in* for
watching it every week when my wife gets here--she's
got NO interest in samurai history, didn't even go see
Last Samurai with me, but loves the modern
stuff--Karakuri Terebi, toka...She'll watch because of
Katori-kun.

I'm surprised you didn't like Toshie to Matsu! The
episodes I saw I quite enjoyed, but that's partially
because I found the contrast between the events
depicted there and how they were in "Hideyoshi" quite
amusing. Only saw one episode of "Musashi", it was a
snorer, I thought. "Shinsengumi" will be interesting,
if only because I'm here.

Nate

--- Kitsuno <samurai-listowner@...>
wrote:

> So does it look like the Shinsengumi drama will be
> worth watching?
> It will probably start coming into the Japanese vid
> store here in a
> few weeks, but I don't know, I had no interest in
> Musashi, and I
> couldn't bear 'Toshie to Matsu' and didn't get
> beyond the first
> episode, so I don't know... I haven't really liked
> a Taiga drama
> since Tokugawa Yoshinobu. But much like William and
> 'The Last
> Samurai', I had to listen to my wife talk about how
> Kokkoii "Mok-kun"
> was the whole time. Motoki Masahiro usually comes
> across as too
> effeminate in a lot of his other shows and movies
> (like, say, as the
> gay nightclub partyboy in 'Gonin', for example), but
> I thought he was
> real good in Tokugawa Yoshinobu.
>
>

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HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHA

You have to remember, though, Kimura Takuya, while the
most "kakko ii", has the LEAST talent, in my opinion,
anyways. And when KimuTaku was Nobunaga, he played a
Nobunaga that time-traveled to the future--come on,
did you expect an Oscar caliber performance????????

Nate


--- Kitsuno <samurai-listowner@...>
wrote:

> "Shingo Katori who was born in 1977 plays the
> leading character,
> Isami Kondo."
>
> SMAP!?! They still let those guys do Jidai Geki?? I
> would have
> thought after KimuTaku played Oda Nobunaga, they
> would have been
> banned from Jidai Geki for eternity. Or should be.
>
>
> > For a synopsis of the first few episodes try here
> > http://www.nhk-jn.co.jp/wp/best_e.htm
>
>
>

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On Jan 12, 2004, at 9:59 PM, Nate Ledbetter wrote:

> HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHA
>
> You have to remember, though, Kimura Takuya, while the
> most "kakko ii", has the LEAST talent, in my opinion,
> anyways. And when KimuTaku was Nobunaga, he played a
> Nobunaga that time-traveled to the future--come on,
> did you expect an Oscar caliber performance????????
>
> Nate

No, no, but he'd better stick to 'Love Generation.' That's his stuff,
and he plays well the role of the kakko-ii chap. Let's face it: he's
almost ugly, but he is absolutely J-cool. (BTW, he's my wife's favorite
SMAP, so...)
cepo


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> Yes that's right. Her name is Nogiwa Yoko

"She's SOOOO good at playing Onibaba!"

Personally　can't stand her!!


"so does the jidai geki channel come with Sky Perfect,
or is it something separate I have to order??"

They package deals with sets of channels that you can get. The Jidai Geki
channel comes with most of them.

I was thinking about the list of books I sent you. You might try finding
them at the Japan Foundation. The Foundation's office here in Kyoto has a
well stocked lending library. I am sure the Tokyo one would have even
better.

"Shingo Katori who was born in 1977 plays the leading character,
Isami Kondo." SMAP!?! They still let those guys do Jidai Geki?? I would
have
thought after KimuTaku played Oda Nobunaga, they would have been
banned from Jidai Geki for eternity. Or should be."

I guess you hadn't heard that Kusanagi Tsuyoshi of SMAP played Toyotomi
Hideyoshi in another jidai geki this past Shogastu. This makes Nakai
Masahiro the only member not to play jidai geki.

Personally I like the fact that they are getting younger people to play
these parts. Its strains credulity to watch ojisans like Kitaoji Kinya and
Mastukata Hiroki play these roles.

As per your other question whether Shinsengumi is worth watching. Well the
first episode was alright. Kinda of hard to believe Kondo, Hijikata, Ryoma,
Kastura, and Sakuma Shozan going on road trip to see Kurofune. Nevertheless
I will sit through anything with chonmage (The jidai collection is pass the
250 mark).

"I'm surprised you didn't like Toshie to Matsu! The
episodes I saw I quite enjoyed, but that's partially
because I found the contrast between the events
depicted there and how they were in "Hideyoshi" quite
amusing. Only saw one episode of "Musashi", it was a
snorer, I thought. "Shinsengumi" will be interesting,
if only because I'm here."

Right now I am watching "Nobunaga", "Hideyoshi", and "Toshie to Matsu", back
to back. It is quite interesting contrasting each series and how they
depicted each event. From February and March I can add "Onna Taiko-ki" and
"Tokugawa Ieyasu" and see how they fare.

>
>
> I was thinking about the list of books I sent you. You might try finding
> them at the Japan Foundation. The Foundation's office here in Kyoto has a
> well stocked lending library. I am sure the Tokyo one would have even
> better.

On the same subject, Nate, International House in Tokyo has a very good English language library - it's in between Roppongi and Azabu. Can't find the phone number at the moment but I do have it somewhere if you can't get hold of it. It also holds lots of translations of Japanese literature. I read (among other things) "Before the Dawn" there which is a fascinating novel by Shimazaki Toson giving lots of interesting background on the Meiji era.

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On Jan 13, 2004, at 4:46 AM, William&Mikiko Letham wrote:

> This makes Nakai
> Masahiro the only member not to play jidai geki.
>

With his voice and his mignon size, he could brilliantly an old woman
selling tofu at a market in Edo.
cepo


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Completely. He's good in the Kakkoii character role,
but in NOTHING else. Shingo, on the other hand, I
think MAY actually have SOME acting ability...he was
always the goofy one, but somehow he's coming across
better than the cutesy Nakai or the aloof Inagaki or
Kusanagi

Nate

--- Cesare Polenghi <cepo@...> wrote:

> On Jan 12, 2004, at 9:59 PM, Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>
> > HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHA
> >
> > You have to remember, though, Kimura Takuya, while
> the
> > most "kakko ii", has the LEAST talent, in my
> opinion,
> > anyways. And when KimuTaku was Nobunaga, he played
> a
> > Nobunaga that time-traveled to the future--come
> on,
> > did you expect an Oscar caliber
> performance????????
> >
> > Nate
>
> No, no, but he'd better stick to 'Love Generation.'
> That's his stuff,
> and he plays well the role of the kakko-ii chap.
> Let's face it: he's
> almost ugly, but he is absolutely J-cool. (BTW, he's
> my wife's favorite
> SMAP, so...)
> cepo
>
>
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--- William&Mikiko Letham <mickey.letham@...>
wrote:

> > Yes that's right. Her name is Nogiwa Yoko
>
> "She's SOOOO good at playing Onibaba!"
>
> Personally縲€can't stand her!!
>

HAHAHA I didn't really know what to think of her in
the episode of Shinsengumi--I see her as Mitsuhide's
mother, it was hard to get the image of her up on the
cross in the episode of Hideyoshi when she gets killed
out of my head.

>
> "so does the jidai geki channel come with Sky
> Perfect,
> or is it something separate I have to order??"
>
> They package deals with sets of channels that you
> can get. The Jidai Geki
> channel comes with most of them.

Hmm...my real estate agent is handling those
negotiations, so I'm not really sure, but if it comes
with most of them, hopefully I'll get it.

>
> I was thinking about the list of books I sent you.
> You might try finding
> them at the Japan Foundation. The Foundation's
> office here in Kyoto has a
> well stocked lending library. I am sure the Tokyo
> one would have even
> better.

I'll have to check that out, thanks!

Nate


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Roppongi and Azabu is right near my office (it's in
the Azabu area, nearest stop is Nogizaka on the
Chiyoda line) so I'll have to check it out, thanks!

Nate

--- Gillian Rubinstein <gillian@...>
wrote:

> >
> >
> > I was thinking about the list of books I sent you.
> You might try finding
> > them at the Japan Foundation. The Foundation's
> office here in Kyoto has a
> > well stocked lending library. I am sure the Tokyo
> one would have even
> > better.
>
> On the same subject, Nate, International House in
> Tokyo has a very good English language library -
> it's in between Roppongi and Azabu. Can't find the
> phone number at the moment but I do have it
> somewhere if you can't get hold of it. It also holds
> lots of translations of Japanese literature. I read
> (among other things) "Before the Dawn" there which
> is a fascinating novel by Shimazaki Toson giving
> lots of interesting background on the Meiji era.
> >
> >
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Well... as you can see, the email thing is a little *behind* for me
(tony answered before i even did!), so I don't know how much I can
help. That and I can't see the episodes , and i dont know
how much of the jidai geki is historical and how much is fictional
drama (for example, I never knew the leader of the Choshu shishi was
friends with the leader of the shinsen gumi...). Feel free to ask me
any question, though, of course.

If I may ask, how come you can use the email service and not the
board.

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Nate Ledbetter
wrote:

> No, it was Katsura...William answered it for me, and
> gave me some sources to read, but if you care to share
> your knowledge, of course it would be greatly
> appreciated. For the moment i don't have access to the
> discussion board, just the email. Thanks
>
> Nate
>
> --- Kyle Segall wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well, as you know, I can't see the drama like you,
> > but i can offer
> > my fair knowledge of the shinsengumi. was perhaps
> > the person kondou
> > was chasing in the begining Yamanami Seisuke?
> >
> > --- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Nate
> > Ledbetter
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > All--
> > >
> > > Okay, I'm finally here in Japan, just settled on a
> > 4
> > > bedroom house in Yoyogi (God I love what the
> > > government does for me!) and celebrated last night
> > by
> > > watching Karakuri Terebi and the first installment
> > of
> > > the Shinsengumi Taiga Drama last night. I liked
> > it,
> > > but unlike when I watch Hideyoshi or Nobunaga or
> > Aoi
> > > Sandai, for example, I'm not all that familiar
> > with
> > > the story. Any recommendations (in English, if
> > > possible...I've got my fill translating military
> > > documents for the moment) of books to check out
> > that
> > > can give me a roadmap here? I'm vaguely familiar
> > with
> > > Sakamoto Ryoma from history class, but was a
> > little
> > > confused with Kondo Isami and the guy he was
> > chasing
> > > in the beginning of the show, but apparently was
> > > friends with 10 years before (when they flashed
> > > back--William Letham, I know you watched it last
> > > night, help with his name??).
> > >
> > > Thanks for the assitance--I was surprised a little
> > > with Katori Shingo's performance (good, so far)
> > and of
> > > course as it has Sawaguchi Yasuko in it, I'm
> > happy.
> > > Another question for William--is the woman playing
> > > Kondo Isami's mother the same woman who was
> > > Mitsuhide's mother in "Hideyoshi"?? Sokkuri but I
> > > couldn't catch the name.
> > >
> > > Speaking of Hideyoshi, Kitsuno, I see you've got
> > > Ishikawa Goemon as the Samurai of the Month on the
> > > website--I just watched the episode where he gets
> > > boiled in oil...a little different than the
> > > description you've got, eh?
> > >
> > > Thanks all!
> > >
> > > Mata!
> > >
> > > Nate
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I am looking for some info on a particular samurai faction known as
the Shinsengumi, I looked all over, but all i find is stuff from the
Samurai X OVA DVD. Are there any places i can look for info about
them, it's for a story of mine?

The best English language book on the Shinsengumi, by far, is Shinsengumi: The Shogun's Last Samurai Corps by Romulus Hillsborough.

Don't use anything you see in a Rurouni Kenshin cartoon, as entertaining as it might be. Although there is some historical background, it isn't something you should be using for factual information. A better film would be Gohatto (Taboo is the English-release title) which is available at most larger video store chains.

Hope that helps...

Jonathan P. Ellgen

the_katana_page <foxes76133@...> wrote: I am looking for some info on a particular samurai faction known as
the Shinsengumi, I looked all over, but all i find is stuff from the
Samurai X OVA DVD. Are there any places i can look for info about
them, it's for a story of mine?






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Try this: http://shinsengumihq.com/

Totok Sudarijanto
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email: totoks@...

"Hana wa sakura; hito wa bushi - Among flowers the cherry blossom; among men the samurai."


-----Original Message-----

>From: "the_katana_page"<foxes76133@...>
>Sent: 10/9/06 9:18:01 AM
>To: "samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com"<samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [samuraihistory] Shinsengumi
>
>I am looking for some info on a particular samurai faction known as
>the Shinsengumi, I looked all over, but all i find is stuff from the
>Samurai X OVA DVD. Are there any places i can look for info about
>them, it's for a story of mine?
>
>
>
>

There is also taiga dorama "shinsengumi" with 49 episodes which "I think" is good too.

Totok Sudarijanto
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email: totoks@...

"Hana wa sakura; hito wa bushi - Among flowers the cherry blossom; among men the samurai."


-----Original Message-----

>From: "jonathan ellgen"<jpellgen@...>
>Sent: 10/10/06 4:20:13 AM
>To: "samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com"<samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Shinsengumi
>
>The best English language book on the Shinsengumi, by far, is Shinsengumi: The Shogun's Last Samurai Corps by Romulus Hillsborough.
>
>Don't use anything you see in a Rurouni Kenshin cartoon, as entertaining as it might be. Although there is some historical background, it isn't something you should be using for factual information. A better film would be Gohatto (Taboo is the English-release title) which is available at most larger video store chains.
>
>Hope that helps...
>
>Jonathan P. Ellgen
>
>the_katana_page <foxes76133@...> wrote: I am looking for some info on a particular samurai faction known as
> the Shinsengumi, I looked all over, but all i find is stuff from the
> Samurai X OVA DVD. Are there any places i can look for info about
> them, it's for a story of mine?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Check ou the movie- " When the last Sword is drawn ", won 3 Japanese Academy Awards-
all about a Samurai who joins the Shinsengumi..a GREAT movie, IMHO !

Lou

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> Try this: http://shinsengumihq.com/
>
> Totok Sudarijanto
> http://www.samurai.or.id
> email: totoks@...
>
> "Hana wa sakura; hito wa bushi - Among flowers the cherry blossom; among men the
> samurai."
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: "the_katana_page"<foxes76133@...>
> >Sent: 10/9/06 9:18:01 AM
> >To: "samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com"<samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [samuraihistory] Shinsengumi
> >
> >I am looking for some info on a particular samurai faction known as
> >the Shinsengumi, I looked all over, but all i find is stuff from the
> >Samurai X OVA DVD. Are there any places i can look for info about
> >them, it's for a story of mine?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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Those movies are great.
But remember, movie/drama have lots of fictions.
So I really want somebody to publish English version of these books.
http://forums.samurai-archives.com/viewtopic.php?t=167

shikisoku