Samurai Archives Podcast EP23 The Wars of Oda Nobunaga

Samurai Archives Podcast EP23 The Wars of Oda Nobunaga

http://samuraiarchives.podbean.com/2011/10/23/ep23-intro-to-japanese-history-p14-the-wars-of-oda-nobunaga/

From the 1550's until his death in 1582, Oda Nobunaga was involved in constant warfare. One by one, the major Daimyo of his era - the Imagawa, the Takeda, the Asai and Asakura and others - fell before his armies. This episode, we give a concise history of Nobunaga's ambition to unify the country under his rule, from the pivotal battle of Okehazama that first put him on the national stage, to his betrayal at the hands of Akechi Mitsuhide.

Mentioned in this podcast:

Lamers, Jeroen. Japonius Tyrannus: The Japanese Warlord Oda Nobunaga Reconsidered Hotei Publishing (November 2001) http://astore.amazon.com/samurai-20/detail/9074822223

Neilson, David Society at War: Eyewitness Accounts of Sixteenth Century Japan PhD Dissertation University of Oregon, 2007 http://gradworks.umi.com/32/85/3285619.html

Yoshikawa, Eiji. Taiko: An Epic Novel of War and Glory in Feudal Japan Kodansha Amer Inc; 1st edition (September 1992) http://astore.amazon.com/samurai-20/detail/4770026099

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Kitsuno,

I was wondering if any of these recent podcasts covered the Uesugi's Otate no Ran.
If not, is there any chance that a future one might?
You had previously asked us for areas of interest, but then you mentioned that many of these areas were to specific/niche.
Just wondering. I would still like to hear more about the period following Kenshin's death.

thanks!
-Zen Blade/dennis

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "kitsuno" wrote:
>
> Samurai Archives Podcast EP23 The Wars of Oda Nobunaga
>
> http://samuraiarchives.podbean.com/2011/10/23/ep23-intro-to-japanese-history-p14-the-wars-of-oda-nobunaga/
>
> From the 1550's until his death in 1582, Oda Nobunaga was involved in constant warfare. One by one, the major Daimyo of his era - the Imagawa, the Takeda, the Asai and Asakura and others - fell before his armies. This episode, we give a concise history of Nobunaga's ambition to unify the country under his rule, from the pivotal battle of Okehazama that first put him on the national stage, to his betrayal at the hands of Akechi Mitsuhide.
>
> Mentioned in this podcast:
>
> Lamers, Jeroen. Japonius Tyrannus: The Japanese Warlord Oda Nobunaga Reconsidered Hotei Publishing (November 2001) http://astore.amazon.com/samurai-20/detail/9074822223
>
> Neilson, David Society at War: Eyewitness Accounts of Sixteenth Century Japan PhD Dissertation University of Oregon, 2007 http://gradworks.umi.com/32/85/3285619.html
>
> Yoshikawa, Eiji. Taiko: An Epic Novel of War and Glory in Feudal Japan Kodansha Amer Inc; 1st edition (September 1992) http://astore.amazon.com/samurai-20/detail/4770026099
>
> Support this podcast:
>
> Samurai Archives Bookstore: http://astore.amazon.com/samurai-20
>
> Samurai Archives Shop (T-Shirts, etc) http://www.cafepress.com/samuraiarchives
>

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "zenblade12" wrote:

>
> Kitsuno,
>
> I was wondering if any of these recent podcasts covered the Uesugi's Otate no Ran.
> If not, is there any chance that a future one might?
> You had previously asked us for areas of interest, but then you mentioned that many of these areas were to specific/niche.
> Just wondering. I would still like to hear more about the period following Kenshin's death.
>
> thanks!
> -Zen Blade/dennis
>
>

None deal with it specifically, the last 15 episodes were just an overview, but now that we're getting back into the detailed podcasts, we might be able to. We'll see how it goes.

Who knew that the Uesugi succession dispute was all about scallops???

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>From: kitsuno <samurai-listowner@...>
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:53 PM
>Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Samurai Archives Podcast EP23 The Wars of Oda Nobunaga
>
>
> 
>
>
>--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "zenblade12" wrote:
>>
>> Kitsuno,
>>
>> I was wondering if any of these recent podcasts covered the Uesugi's Otate no Ran.
>> If not, is there any chance that a future one might?
>> You had previously asked us for areas of interest, but then you mentioned that many of these areas were to specific/niche.
>> Just wondering. I would still like to hear more about the period following Kenshin's death.
>>
>> thanks!
>> -Zen Blade/dennis
>>
>>
>
>None deal with it specifically, the last 15 episodes were just an overview, but now that we're getting back into the detailed podcasts, we might be able to. We'll see how it goes.
>
>
>
>
>

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This is exactly what I am talking about. I never would have guessed that. Thanks!

But seriously, if you know of English language sources, I can read about it on my own. However, I have not found any... and my japanese is not good enough to read historical texts. Although... now with google translator... who knows.

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Nate Ledbetter wrote:
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> Who knew that the Uesugi succession dispute was all about scallops???
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: kitsuno
> >To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:53 PM
> >Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Samurai Archives Podcast EP23 The Wars of Oda Nobunaga
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "zenblade12" wrote:
> >>
> >> Kitsuno,
> >>
> >> I was wondering if any of these recent podcasts covered the Uesugi's Otate no Ran.
> >> If not, is there any chance that a future one might?
> >> You had previously asked us for areas of interest, but then you mentioned that many of these areas were to specific/niche.
> >> Just wondering. I would still like to hear more about the period following Kenshin's death.
> >>
> >> thanks!
> >> -Zen Blade/dennis
> >>
> >>
> >
> >None deal with it specifically, the last 15 episodes were just an overview, but now that we're getting back into the detailed podcasts, we might be able to. We'll see how it goes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I was digging around some more, and happened upon this website:

http://www.asphodelshaven.com/translations/glossary/entry/otate_no_ran

Anyone know if the information contained within is accurate, or if this website is trustworthy?

It has a lot of information regarding the Otate no ran that I had not heard of before, but the Takeda aspects match with what I have heard about Katsuyori deciding to support Kagekatsu.

cheers

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Nate Ledbetter wrote:
>
> Who knew that the Uesugi succession dispute was all about scallops???
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: kitsuno
> >To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:53 PM
> >Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Samurai Archives Podcast EP23 The Wars of Oda Nobunaga
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "zenblade12" wrote:
> >>
> >> Kitsuno,
> >>
> >> I was wondering if any of these recent podcasts covered the Uesugi's Otate no Ran.
> >> If not, is there any chance that a future one might?
> >> You had previously asked us for areas of interest, but then you mentioned that many of these areas were to specific/niche.
> >> Just wondering. I would still like to hear more about the period following Kenshin's death.
> >>
> >> thanks!
> >> -Zen Blade/dennis
> >>
> >>
> >
> >None deal with it specifically, the last 15 episodes were just an overview, but now that we're getting back into the detailed podcasts, we might be able to. We'll see how it goes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I haven't done much more than click a few links in there, but are these translations from a manga story or novel? I get the impression that it might be:

http://www.asphodelshaven.com/translations/faq

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "zenblade12" wrote:
>
>
>
> I was digging around some more, and happened upon this website:
>
> http://www.asphodelshaven.com/translations/glossary/entry/otate_no_ran
>
> Anyone know if the information contained within is accurate, or if this website is trustworthy?
>
> It has a lot of information regarding the Otate no ran that I had not heard of before, but the Takeda aspects match with what I have heard about Katsuyori deciding to support Kagekatsu.
>
> cheers
>
>

That's basically my question too. Some of the "translations" look like they are either historical or glossary-like descriptions.

This FAQ:
Q: I found an error in your translation/scanlation/research. What do I do?
A: Good for you! Please email me.

This makes me think that some of the translations are historical, and the Otate no Ran article is written in a way that suggests looking at historical sources.
Additionally, the glossary has an "historical/real people" section. And while not every entry completely matches what the equivalent entry at Samurai Archives says, they appear to align well.

There are also "sources" at the bottom of many/most articles. For Otate no Ran:
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BE%A1%E9%A4%A8%E3%81%AE%E4%B9%B1
http://www.m-network.com/sengoku/uesugi/serious02.html
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~ju8t-hnm/Shiro/Hokuriku/Niigata/Otate/index.htm

I translated the wikipedia article (via google translate) and it was a pretty funny read.
Thoughts? Comments?

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "kitsuno" wrote:
>
> I haven't done much more than click a few links in there, but are these translations from a manga story or novel? I get the impression that it might be:
>
> http://www.asphodelshaven.com/translations/faq
>
>
>
> --- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "zenblade12" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I was digging around some more, and happened upon this website:
> >
> > http://www.asphodelshaven.com/translations/glossary/entry/otate_no_ran
> >
> > Anyone know if the information contained within is accurate, or if this website is trustworthy?
> >
> > It has a lot of information regarding the Otate no ran that I had not heard of before, but the Takeda aspects match with what I have heard about Katsuyori deciding to support Kagekatsu.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> >
>