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#183 [2004-03-26 02:16:58]

Re: [SHQ] Thoughts on the meaning "Bushido"

by okitasoji

These are just some thoughts I wanted to share since it relates to the samurai in general.

This whole week i've been attending a seminar for Suio Ryu headed by the headmaster who came from Japan. Tonight was one night that had probably one of the most interesting discussions of the week. Our headmaster was presented with a scroll with the kanji for "bushido" on it which was written by one of the grandfather's of one of the students.

Our headmaster then told us the meaning of the word bushido, which pointed to it's simplest meaning, yet I and many others never saw of it as this way. He broke down the meaning of the strokes in the first kanji "bu" and told us it basically meant "to stop conflict". "shi" refers to a person i.e. samurai. And "do" the way. But basically he said it means "The way of stopping conflict". He then asked how do you stop conflict. Thinkuing to the hisotry of Japan, the only way to stop conflict is to produce conflict. To fight. To suppress the enemy so that you cease their ability to produce conflict.

From this, I could see the truth behind the word. Bushido is not what is written in books about the samurai code, the way a samurai is supposed to conduct himself, it's true meaning is simply in the way of combat, the way of the warrior.

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#184 [2004-03-26 08:35:29]

Re: Thoughts on the meaning "Bushido"

by secretarytocapt3

yeah, sometimes the most simple truths are hard to grasp.
I read in a book that talks about the origin of "bu" from Chinese and
explains how things were done in imperial China. People who
represented "Bu", warriors were placed nearly at the same level as
those who represented "Boon" that is the thinkers/advisors. Boon&Bu
are "supposed" to assist the leader in making decisions.

Many books out there will as you mentioned give the definition to
bushido as "the way a samurai is supposed to conduct himself" perhaps
this is due to the elaboration of the meaning during the Tokugawa
period when things were ~relatively~ peaceful---and there was a need
to redefine their roles? During the Tokugawa many samurai added more
"peaceful" aspects to their way of life right (popularity of zen,
calligraphy, and flower arrangement <- this one still shocks me but I
definately read this in a book on samurai!)? So for non practitioners
who just read anything that comes our way the definition of bushido
itself is far removed from its origins (99.9% of the writers do not
practice martial arts and therefore can't tap into the warrior aspect
of the samurai).

If you guys have a chance, join e-budo.com and read the posts to get
an idea of what others are thinking and there are some really
knowledgeable posters some of whom have all these characteristics
1)know the language 2)research 3)practice martial arts (some for
several decades).

My favorite post is "Rural swordsmen beat urban "Zen" swordsmen" which
reminds me of Kondo and company moving into Kyoto :)
E-Budo.com > Koryu Bujutsu > Sword Arts > Rural swordsmen beat urban
"Zen" swordsmen
http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=2ae32c79ca36fe0c19b56ae7bbdfda37&threadid=22266&highlight=Rural+swordsmen+beat

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Mesina" wrote:
> These are just some thoughts I wanted to share since it relates to
the samurai in general.
>
> This whole week i've been attending a seminar for Suio Ryu headed by
the headmaster who came from Japan. Tonight was one night that had
probably one of the most interesting discussions of the week. Our
headmaster was presented with a scroll with the kanji for "bushido" on
it which was written by one of the grandfather's of one of the students.
>
> Our headmaster then told us the meaning of the word bushido, which
pointed to it's simplest meaning, yet I and many others never saw of
it as this way. He broke down the meaning of the strokes in the first
kanji "bu" and told us it basically meant "to stop conflict". "shi"
refers to a person i.e. samurai. And "do" the way. But basically he
said it means "The way of stopping conflict". He then asked how do you
stop conflict. Thinkuing to the hisotry of Japan, the only way to stop
conflict is to produce conflict. To fight. To suppress the enemy so
that you cease their ability to produce conflict.
>
> From this, I could see the truth behind the word. Bushido is not
what is written in books about the samurai code, the way a samurai is
supposed to conduct himself, it's true meaning is simply in the way of
combat, the way of the warrior.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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#185 [2004-03-26 08:43:05]

Re: Thoughts on the meaning "Bushido"

by shimazuryu

The Japanese have a saying: Bun Bu Ichi-- Pen and Sword in accord.
Samurai were said to follow the way of Bunbu-ryodo-- the Twofold Way
of the Pen and the Sword.

I try to keep that in mind all the time. THAT is what samurai were all
about.

--M.

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#187 [2004-03-26 09:03:27]

Re: Thoughts on the meaning "Bushido"

by secretarytocapt3

yeah,
www.3-hajime.com/katari.html deals with Kondo discussing the pen and
sword with S.H.
""Saito, your public fencing is there is no stating amount, but letter
study does not go then. It is the sword which is called soul of the
warrior and others, the large and two oral hand is, isn't? It has been
said especially, from as for this society, the child it became the
society that, only with it cannot go, to side letter the ゃ, also how
it is not in not learning, it is. At least about your own full name to
not being able to write"

--- In SHQ@yahoogroups.com, "Shimazu Masayoshi" wrote:
> The Japanese have a saying: Bun Bu Ichi-- Pen and Sword in accord.
> Samurai were said to follow the way of Bunbu-ryodo-- the Twofold Way
> of the Pen and the Sword.
>
> I try to keep that in mind all the time. THAT is what samurai were all
> about.
>
> --M.

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#195 [2004-03-26 15:54:28]

Re: [SHQ] Re: Thoughts on the meaning "Bushido"

by spiritus_saitou

Tiffany <makoto@...> wrote:

>>flower arrangement <- this one still shocks me but I definately read this in a book on samurai!)? <<

I'll never be able to explain this the way I have it in my head... it has to do with contemplation and bringing different aspects into harmony (like zen and calligraphy, as you mentioned). I'll try to locate the more specific info I have on this because, like most things, it's not quite THAT simple.

When my mother was competing in flower arranging, there were many men involved in it. Some of them were some pretty tough lookin' dudes, too. ;-)

There's another fun image to contemplate... Kenshin coming in on RK Saitou arranging flowers (maybe after Kenshin's just had green tea with Aoshi?) :-)

phil


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#196 [2004-03-26 16:25:04]

Re: [SHQ] Re: Thoughts on the meaning "Bushido"

by bsher213

spiritus saitou wrote:

> There's another fun image to contemplate... Kenshin coming in on RK Saitou arranging flowers (maybe after Kenshin's just had green tea with Aoshi?) :-)
>
>
And the little rurouni walks away shaking his head and muttering "And
they call me weird because I wear this pink gi."

--
Barbara Sheridan

http://www.barbarasheridan.net

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#200 [2004-03-26 22:33:40]

Re: Thoughts on the meaning "Bushido"

by secretarytocapt3

> When my mother was competing in flower arranging, there were many
men involved in it. Some of them were some pretty tough lookin' dudes,
too. ;-)

Sounds like the rose competition episode from King of the Hill.

My sister used to have pet mice and in a book on pet mice it mentioned
that samurai came up with different strains of colored mice and raised
them in large/deep clay containers...can't forget the koi raising
too...makes me think of Angry Bee's Hajime and Tokio...I guess the
samurai secure in their positions with a guaranteed source of income
needed a hobby...imagine being born in this social class and having NO
interest in martial arts whatsoever...must've been hard.

> There's another fun image to contemplate... Kenshin coming in on RK
Saitou arranging flowers (maybe after Kenshin's just had green tea with
Aoshi?) :-)

right, the chado

I was thinking along the lines of Tokio always preparing a weekly
arrangement for the living room and always finding that someone has
mysteriously been making "improvements" to it LOL

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#211 [2004-03-29 14:25:44]

Re: Re: Thoughts on the meaning "Bushido"

by serizawakamo

> These are just some thoughts I wanted to share since
> it relates to the samurai in general.
>
> This whole week i've been attending a seminar for
> Suio Ryu headed by the headmaster who came from
> Japan.


Katsuse sensei seems to be a very nice sensei. I
haven't had the honor nor the pleasure to meet him in
person, but I have seen him (in videotape) performing
some Suio Ryu katas and it was pretty impressive.


> From this, I could see the truth behind the word.
> Bushido is not what is written in books about the
> samurai code, the way a samurai is supposed to
> conduct himself, it's true meaning is simply in the
> way of combat, the way of the warrior.


Well, since you drew such conclusion after the literal
analysis of the kanji (ideograms) for "Bushido", I
suggest you doing the same with the kanji for
"Samurai". It's pretty curious :)


Serizawa Kamo

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#213 [2004-03-29 16:43:36]

Re: [SHQ] Re: Re: Thoughts on the meaning "Bushido"

by okitasoji

Yes, Katsuse-sensei is very nice, he also has quite a sense of humor haha. He performed some of the high level kata and even some or the hidden kata at the seminar demonstration. Even for his age and condition of his legs, his kata was still powerful. I was totally impressed.


----- Original Message -----
From: Serizawa Kamo
To: SHQ@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:25 PM
Subject: [SHQ] Re: Re: Thoughts on the meaning "Bushido"



> These are just some thoughts I wanted to share since
> it relates to the samurai in general.
>
> This whole week i've been attending a seminar for
> Suio Ryu headed by the headmaster who came from
> Japan.


Katsuse sensei seems to be a very nice sensei. I
haven't had the honor nor the pleasure to meet him in
person, but I have seen him (in videotape) performing
some Suio Ryu katas and it was pretty impressive.


> From this, I could see the truth behind the word.
> Bushido is not what is written in books about the
> samurai code, the way a samurai is supposed to
> conduct himself, it's true meaning is simply in the
> way of combat, the way of the warrior.


Well, since you drew such conclusion after the literal
analysis of the kanji (ideograms) for "Bushido", I
suggest you doing the same with the kanji for
"Samurai". It's pretty curious :)


Serizawa Kamo

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