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#9729 [2008-04-21 23:51:14]

Samurai and Zen Buddhism

by dalsantoishot

Hi all, I was just wondering if any of you had some info on the
connection between Zrn Buddhism and the Samurai warriors... Thanks.

much appreciated

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#9730 [2008-04-22 22:12:20]

RE: [samuraihistory] Samurai and Zen Buddhism

by jore lehtinen

zen was introduced to warrior class in 900th ,but it became popular during kamakura era(eisai etc).read dogens and lin-zis(rinzai) books and and some of the modern writers like deshimaru roshi and shoogen roshi etc...it gives you the idea of the arrival and effect to warrior class...thats for starters...then art developing thru heian period to early tokugawa era...then study the transform from jutsu to do...thats the real influense on attitudes of the warrior class...so its about study 1000years of influense on certain class...good luck..i hope they didnt ask this for school paper...regards...Jore


To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.comFrom: lollipopaholic26@...: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:51:14 +0000Subject: [samuraihistory] Samurai and Zen Buddhism




Hi all, I was just wondering if any of you had some info on the connection between Zrn Buddhism and the Samurai warriors... Thanks.much appreciated






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#9731 [2008-04-23 06:09:55]

Re: Samurai and Zen Buddhism

by grandaddy_g

Check out "The Samurai and the Sacred" by Stephen Turnbull. A really
good book on the Samurai religious ideologies.



--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "dalsantoishot"
wrote:
>
> Hi all, I was just wondering if any of you had some info on the
> connection between Zrn Buddhism and the Samurai warriors... Thanks.
>
> much appreciated
>

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#9732 [2008-04-23 09:48:17]

Samurai and Zen Buddhism

by scott_rekishika

This is a question that A LOT of people new to samurai and Japanese
history ask. And, it is a bit of a tricky one. The answer has often
been misunderstood, in the West epecially, with many writings that
talk about Zen as THE religion of the samurai. There really is no
doubt that Zen did have an influence,to what degree is debateable,
on the medieval samurai class and Japanese society that still exists
to this day. HOWEVER, one should not paint with too broad of a brush
and say that Zen was the religion of the samurai. The samurai class
was a very religiously diverse group which included almost all
schools of Buddhism as well as some that for the most part rejected
Buddhism and relied more on Shinto beliefs. The most common
religious belief would be, like Japanese society as a whole, some
form of Pure Land Buddhism. Pure Land Buddhism is a faith that
entrusts future salvation to the Buddha Amida. The belief is that by
believing in and chanting the name of Amida Buddha one would be
reborn in his Pure Land and be able to learn from the Amida Buddha
directly in order to obtain enlightenment. Now to be fair this is a
a very simplified exaplination. But, in it we can find why it is so
popular. Faith in Amida's compassion for all senient beings allows
for a much easier path for the average farmer or warrior that might
die any moment on the battlefield. In secord place of common
religion would proabably be the Nichiren sect. The BASIC teaching of
the Nichiren sect is that having faith in the Lotus Sutra and
chanting the name of the Lotus Sutra would lead to salvation. In an
attempt to keep it simple I may have glossed over some things, but
basically I am trying to show that when you engage in deadly combat
as an occupation these schools would provide a more attractive
path. One must also remember that medieval Zen was primarily a
monastic order, although there certainly were some devout lay
practitioners... Also there is generally not the one way mentality
as in the West. In Japan, then and nowm it would not be wrong for a
believer in the Pure Land or some other school participating in Zen
meditation, or Zen influenced arts. While the Nichiren school
rejected the practices of other religious faith there was generally
nothing wrong with practicing aspects of more than one school of
Buddhism as well as practicing Shinto. I am not believer though in
the theory that samurai practiced Zen ONLY for a way to culturaly
legitimate their power. While I think this is true in some, perhaps
many, cases there were also samurai that did follow Zen religiously.
As far as Zen in samurai history I think we need to look somewhere
in the middle between the two extremes to get closer to the truth.
In an attempt to save some space I have left out a ton of stuff that
could be written, and at times I feel I went on more then needed.
But, my basic point is that one should not think of Zen as THE
religion of the samurai, but rather one of many practices that were
a part warrior culture during the medieval period.

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#9733 [2008-04-23 11:28:39]

Re: Samurai and Zen Buddhism

by getsutakezo

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "dalsantoishot"
wrote:
>
> Hi all, I was just wondering if any of you had some info on the
> connection between Zrn Buddhism and the Samurai warriors... Thanks.
>
> much appreciated
>
Well, Zen buddhism was introduced to Japan in the 1100's, and alot of
the priciples of zen tie-in with what the warriors mindset was
supposed to be. For example, zen emphasizes prowess through practice,
and the idea of being so focused on one thing at a time ties in with
the martial arts.

I hope this is of some use to you.

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#9734 [2008-04-25 17:33:30]

RE: [samuraihistory] Samurai and Zen Buddhism

by jore lehtinen

sorry:zen is not religion!make that clear...Jore


To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.comFrom: scottc_4@...: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:48:17 +0000Subject: [samuraihistory] Samurai and Zen Buddhism




This is a question that A LOT of people new to samurai and Japanese history ask. And, it is a bit of a tricky one. The answer has often been misunderstood, in the West epecially, with many writings that talk about Zen as THE religion of the samurai. There really is no doubt that Zen did have an influence,to what degree is debateable, on the medieval samurai class and Japanese society that still exists to this day. HOWEVER, one should not paint with too broad of a brush and say that Zen was the religion of the samurai. The samurai class was a very religiously diverse group which included almost all schools of Buddhism as well as some that for the most part rejected Buddhism and relied more on Shinto beliefs. The most common religious belief would be, like Japanese society as a whole, some form of Pure Land Buddhism. Pure Land Buddhism is a faith that entrusts future salvation to the Buddha Amida. The belief is that by believing in and chanting the name of Amida Buddha one would be reborn in his Pure Land and be able to learn from the Amida Buddha directly in order to obtain enlightenment. Now to be fair this is a a very simplified exaplination. But, in it we can find why it is so popular. Faith in Amida's compassion for all senient beings allows for a much easier path for the average farmer or warrior that might die any moment on the battlefield. In secord place of common religion would proabably be the Nichiren sect. The BASIC teaching of the Nichiren sect is that having faith in the Lotus Sutra and chanting the name of the Lotus Sutra would lead to salvation. In an attempt to keep it simple I may have glossed over some things, but basically I am trying to show that when you engage in deadly combat as an occupation these schools would provide a more attractive path. One must also remember that medieval Zen was primarily a monastic order, although there certainly were some devout lay practitioners... Also there is generally not the one way mentality as in the West. In Japan, then and nowm it would not be wrong for a believer in the Pure Land or some other school participating in Zen meditation, or Zen influenced arts. While the Nichiren school rejected the practices of other religious faith there was generally nothing wrong with practicing aspects of more than one school of Buddhism as well as practicing Shinto. I am not believer though in the theory that samurai practiced Zen ONLY for a way to culturaly legitimate their power. While I think this is true in some, perhaps many, cases there were also samurai that did follow Zen religiously. As far as Zen in samurai history I think we need to look somewhere in the middle between the two extremes to get closer to the truth. In an attempt to save some space I have left out a ton of stuff that could be written, and at times I feel I went on more then needed. But, my basic point is that one should not think of Zen as THE religion of the samurai, but rather one of many practices that were a part warrior culture during the medieval period.






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#9735 [2008-04-25 17:42:13]

RE: [samuraihistory] Re: Samurai and Zen Buddhism

by jore lehtinen

sorry..buddhisim(esoteric) was brought japan in 500-600th...zen was introduced 900th....it became popular in 1200th...in that time sects of zen sproud...and the jodo,nichiren etc...wich are pure japanese versions...nothing to do with original buddhism....dont get mixed up...Jore


To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.comFrom: getsutakezo@...: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:28:39 +0000Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Samurai and Zen Buddhism




--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "dalsantoishot" wrote:>> Hi all, I was just wondering if any of you had some info on the > connection between Zrn Buddhism and the Samurai warriors... Thanks.> > much appreciated>Well, Zen buddhism was introduced to Japan in the 1100's, and alot of the priciples of zen tie-in with what the warriors mindset was supposed to be. For example, zen emphasizes prowess through practice, and the idea of being so focused on one thing at a time ties in with the martial arts.I hope this is of some use to you.





sorry
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