Japanese Samurai History - Re: Daimyos on Kyushu island in 1626?

#9686 [2008-01-28 04:25:22]

RE: Daimyos on Kyushu island in 1626?

by shaundlcurry

Guys, Where can one find a list of all Daimyos (and their respective
territories/provinces) on Kyushu island in 1626?? I think I will need
an expert on this one Thanks in advance, Shaun

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#9687 [2008-01-30 17:04:00]

Re: Daimyos on Kyushu island in 1626?

by kitsuno

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "shaundlcurry"
wrote:

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> Guys, Where can one find a list of all Daimyos (and their respective
> territories/provinces) on Kyushu island in 1626?? I think I will need
> an expert on this one Thanks in advance, Shaun
>

I doubt a "list" exists for that particular (and random) year - you'll
need to research - check out various clans, and see who was in charge
during that time and where, write them down, and move on to the next one.

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#9688 [2008-01-31 10:13:08]

Re: Daimyos on Kyushu island in 1626?

by shaundlcurry

Dear Kitsuno,

Thank you for your reply. I can't believe how phenomenally
difficult it is to piece together all this information... Clearly,
record-keeping was not a priority for Samurai or Peasants during the
turbulent 1620's...

Can you recommend any well-organized books, periodicals, and/or
websites that provides comprehensive lists of Daimyos per regions?
i.e. I am looking for a list Daimyos on Kyushu only.

Alternatively, do you know where I can locate information on all the
Daimyos in Japan in control in the 1620's only? I could then sort
the regions manually myself.

At present, all I can find is some big old Alphabetical list of
Daimyos and/or Samurai families across all of Japan and across
multiple centuries... which isn't very helpful. Overall, I'd hate
to reinvent the wheel if there already exists comprehensive records
or study in this area.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Shaun

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#9689 [2008-02-01 17:04:11]

Re: Daimyos on Kyushu island in 1626?

by kitsuno

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "shaundlcurry"
wrote:

>
> Dear Kitsuno,
>
> Thank you for your reply. I can't believe how phenomenally
> difficult it is to piece together all this information... Clearly,
> record-keeping was not a priority for Samurai or Peasants during the
> turbulent 1620's...
>
> Can you recommend any well-organized books, periodicals, and/or
> websites that provides comprehensive lists of Daimyos per regions?
> i.e. I am looking for a list Daimyos on Kyushu only.

Record-keeping has always been an obsession throughout Japanese
history. Every clan has detailed genealogies and detailed clan
histories. If you can't read Japanese, you are more limited, but I'd
just be creative - I would first find a map something like this one:
http://www.samurai-archives.com/maphome.html
Then I would write down the names of all of the daimyo I see on
Kyushu, and then I would get various library books that deal with
Japanese history, flip to the index, and try to find out who was in
charge of the clan during the 1620s - off the top of my head, George
Sansom's 2nd and/or 3rd book (History of Japan) would be one place to
look. It's pretty basic research. If you read Japanese, the Japanese
wikipedia and harimaya.com has detailed family trees for almost every
major clan, and the Sengoku Jinmei Jiten edited by Abe would be
another resource. I'd help out, but I don't have the time. Maybe
someone else around here?

Also, I'm curious - what "turbulence" are you talking about during the
1620s? I can't think of much of anything overly turbulent happening in
the 1620s aside from the non-event of Iemitsu becoming shogun, and the
start of Sakoku.

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#9690 [2008-02-04 05:44:42]

Re: Daimyos on Kyushu island in 1626?

by shaundlcurry

Dear Kitsuno,

Thank you again for your reply.

You are quite right. Samurai record-keeping appears to be quite
meticulous, and there appears to be a lot of information, albeit I
can't seem to find it in "summary" form, or in a fashion that
doesn't require a lot of filtering... and a lot of work...

I think my "turbulence" statement was a relative one.

Thanks,

Shaun

P.S. As recommended, I purchased the books by G.B. Sansom. I'm
also considering purchasing the History of Japan volumes by James
Murdoch. Have you read these? Are they any good?

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Kitsuno" listowner@...> wrote:

>
> --- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "shaundlcurry"
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Kitsuno,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply. I can't believe how phenomenally
> > difficult it is to piece together all this information...

Clearly,

> > record-keeping was not a priority for Samurai or Peasants during

the

> > turbulent 1620's...
> >
> > Can you recommend any well-organized books, periodicals, and/or
> > websites that provides comprehensive lists of Daimyos per

regions?

> > i.e. I am looking for a list Daimyos on Kyushu only.
>
> Record-keeping has always been an obsession throughout Japanese
> history. Every clan has detailed genealogies and detailed clan
> histories. If you can't read Japanese, you are more limited, but

I'd

> just be creative - I would first find a map something like this

one:

> http://www.samurai-archives.com/maphome.html
> Then I would write down the names of all of the daimyo I see on
> Kyushu, and then I would get various library books that deal with
> Japanese history, flip to the index, and try to find out who was in
> charge of the clan during the 1620s - off the top of my head,

George

> Sansom's 2nd and/or 3rd book (History of Japan) would be one place

> look. It's pretty basic research. If you read Japanese, the

Japanese

> wikipedia and harimaya.com has detailed family trees for almost

every

> major clan, and the Sengoku Jinmei Jiten edited by Abe would be
> another resource. I'd help out, but I don't have the time. Maybe
> someone else around here?
>
> Also, I'm curious - what "turbulence" are you talking about during

the

> 1620s? I can't think of much of anything overly turbulent

happening in

> the 1620s aside from the non-event of Iemitsu becoming shogun, and

the

> start of Sakoku.
>

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#9693 [2008-02-20 07:45:39]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Daimyos on Kyushu island in 1626?

by rodjohnson001

Dear Shaun, Kitsuno.

Do I see a slight mental block appearing!.... I think that 1625 - 1640
was a very interesting and turbulent period in Kyushu. Having spent the
last four years researching and writing (with Till Weber) about the
Shimabara Rebellion and the period leading up to it I would say that it
was a pivotal point in Japan's history. One of these days soon I will
send the manuscript off for publication. But in the meantime Shaun, I
would suggest you look at the Shimabara Rebellion [insurrection or
whatever you prefer to call it] and you will discover a wealth of
information about the Daimyo in Kyushu at that time.

Best wishes,

Rod Johnson

shaundlcurry wrote:

> Dear Kitsuno,
>
> Thank you again for your reply.
>
> You are quite right. Samurai record-keeping appears to be quite
> meticulous, and there appears to be a lot of information, albeit I
> can't seem to find it in "summary" form, or in a fashion that
> doesn't require a lot of filtering... and a lot of work...
>
> I think my "turbulence" statement was a relative one.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>

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#9697 [2008-02-20 17:50:25]

Re: Daimyos on Kyushu island in 1626?

by kitsuno

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "shogun.uk" wrote:

>
> Dear Shaun, Kitsuno.
>
> Do I see a slight mental block appearing!.... I think that 1625 - 1640
> was a very interesting and turbulent period in Kyushu.

I considered that, but I was referring to the 1620's. The majority of
the action was in the 1630's, so I still maintain that not much "epic
and turbulent" went on in the 1620's compared to the 1610's or the
1630's. It was pretty tame in comparison.

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