The Samurai Funeral

Hi Everyone,

First I would like to extend my thanks to everyone for their invaluable wealth of knowledge.

I'm hoping that someone could help point me in the direction of a resource where I can further research the samurai funeral. To date I've been unable to find substantial information.

THanks

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hello,

are you from Japan? or do you know anyone who lives there and is somehow related to present samurai?

please reply. It's very important.

Thank you.




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... It's unlikely a samurai's funeral was much different from a
common funeral, but probably with more guests and gifts. You know,
burn the body, pick the bones from the ashes with sticks, deposit
remains with a temple, etc...

>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> First I would like to extend my thanks to everyone for their

invaluable wealth of knowledge.

>
> I'm hoping that someone could help point me in the direction of a

resource where I can further research the samurai funeral. To date
I've been unable to find substantial information.

>
> THanks
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The opening scenes of the Twilight Samurai comprise a funeral - in winter. A burial, I think.
Regards,
Barry Thomas.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carl
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:25 AM
Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: The Samurai Funeral


... It's unlikely a samurai's funeral was much different from a
common funeral, but probably with more guests and gifts. You know,
burn the body, pick the bones from the ashes with sticks, deposit
remains with a temple, etc...

>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> First I would like to extend my thanks to everyone for their
invaluable wealth of knowledge.
>
> I'm hoping that someone could help point me in the direction of a
resource where I can further research the samurai funeral. To date
I've been unable to find substantial information.
>
> THanks
.


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Good point Barry -
As I understand it most Samurai funerals were burials until the
Meiji period when cremation became the norm for all classes across
the country. Remember in Yojimbo, Mifune is hidden in a coffin, more
like a big bucket in which the deceased "sat" into eternity. I think
in Kagemusha the lord is breifly in a coffin before being placed in
the jar, been a long time since I've seen that one.
Sorry not the best sources, Sasama gives plenty of ink to executions
but none to burials that I can find. Will keep looking.
-t

On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:31 PM, Barry Thomas wrote:

> The opening scenes of the Twilight Samurai comprise a funeral - in
> winter. A burial, I think.
> Regards,
> Barry Thomas.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carl
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:25 AM
> Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: The Samurai Funeral
>
> ... It's unlikely a samurai's funeral was much different from a
> common funeral, but probably with more guests and gifts. You know,
> burn the body, pick the bones from the ashes with sticks, deposit
> remains with a temple, etc...
>
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > First I would like to extend my thanks to everyone for their
> invaluable wealth of knowledge.
> >
> > I'm hoping that someone could help point me in the direction of a
> resource where I can further research the samurai funeral. To date
> I've been unable to find substantial information.
> >
> > THanks
> .
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



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funeral proceedings depends on the class and religion.burial in a coffin was
not standard..most of the buddhist sects used cremation..look on the
cemetarys and you can have an idea what is on the ground:ashes or big barrel
etc...regards..jore

>From: Tom Helm <toryu@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Re: The Samurai Funeral
>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:32:43 -0800
>
>Good point Barry -
> As I understand it most Samurai funerals were burials until the
>Meiji period when cremation became the norm for all classes across
>the country. Remember in Yojimbo, Mifune is hidden in a coffin, more
>like a big bucket in which the deceased "sat" into eternity. I think
>in Kagemusha the lord is breifly in a coffin before being placed in
>the jar, been a long time since I've seen that one.
> Sorry not the best sources, Sasama gives plenty of ink to executions
>but none to burials that I can find. Will keep looking.
>-t
>
>On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:31 PM, Barry Thomas wrote:
>
> > The opening scenes of the Twilight Samurai comprise a funeral - in
> > winter. A burial, I think.
> > Regards,
> > Barry Thomas.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Carl
> > To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:25 AM
> > Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: The Samurai Funeral
> >
> > ... It's unlikely a samurai's funeral was much different from a
> > common funeral, but probably with more guests and gifts. You know,
> > burn the body, pick the bones from the ashes with sticks, deposit
> > remains with a temple, etc...
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > First I would like to extend my thanks to everyone for their
> > invaluable wealth of knowledge.
> > >
> > > I'm hoping that someone could help point me in the direction of a
> > resource where I can further research the samurai funeral. To date
> > I've been unable to find substantial information.
> > >
> > > THanks
> > .
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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On Feb 23, 2007, at 1:25 AM, jore lehtinen wrote:

> funeral proceedings depends on the class and religion.burial in a
> coffin was
> not standard..most of the buddhist sects used cremation..look on the
> cemetarys and you can have an idea what is on the ground:ashes or
> big barrel
> etc...regards..jore
>

You are quite right sir, I stand corrected. (My mind is forever stuck
in the Bakumatsu.)
Cremation supposedly began with the monk Dosho in 700, spread to the
upper classes and slowly
"continued with the popularization of Buddhism throughout the
Kamakura and Muromachi periods, cremation became a practice of the
masses. By the Edo period however the growing influence of Confucian
ideology led to a tendency to avoid cremation and in certain areas
burial was reinstated (probably the area I was thinking of) . In the
Meiji period cremation was prohibited between 1873 and 1875 during
the upsurge of anti-Buddhist sentiment that accompanied the early
Meiji governments's efforts to encourage Shinto (must be where I got
the idea), but once again became a common practice after the
government directed that fatalities from contagious disease be
cremated to halt the spread of epidemics."

Quoted from the Kodansha Illustrated Encyclopedia of Japan (Eibun
Nihon Daijiten). Not easy to admit when one is wrong but always
appreciate the opportunity to learn something more...
-t

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funeral proceedings depends on regions too.
in my recognition, cremation started after WWII in my region.
because my great grandpa who died in 1950's wasn't cremated.

shikisoku


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interesting info Mr.Helm!didnt know that cremation was once "kinjiru" on
meiji-era!thanks man!(ive to get the kodanshas encyclopidia again.used to
have it,but somebody stole all my kodansha books in mid-80's)regards...jore

>From: Tom Helm <toryu@...>
>Reply-To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Re: The Samurai Funeral
>Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:40:29 -0800
>
>
>On Feb 23, 2007, at 1:25 AM, jore lehtinen wrote:
>
> > funeral proceedings depends on the class and religion.burial in a
> > coffin was
> > not standard..most of the buddhist sects used cremation..look on the
> > cemetarys and you can have an idea what is on the ground:ashes or
> > big barrel
> > etc...regards..jore
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>You are quite right sir, I stand corrected. (My mind is forever stuck
>in the Bakumatsu.)
> Cremation supposedly began with the monk Dosho in 700, spread to the
>upper classes and slowly
>"continued with the popularization of Buddhism throughout the
>Kamakura and Muromachi periods, cremation became a practice of the
>masses. By the Edo period however the growing influence of Confucian
>ideology led to a tendency to avoid cremation and in certain areas
>burial was reinstated (probably the area I was thinking of) . In the
>Meiji period cremation was prohibited between 1873 and 1875 during
>the upsurge of anti-Buddhist sentiment that accompanied the early
>Meiji governments's efforts to encourage Shinto (must be where I got
>the idea), but once again became a common practice after the
>government directed that fatalities from contagious disease be
>cremated to halt the spread of epidemics."
>
> Quoted from the Kodansha Illustrated Encyclopedia of Japan (Eibun
>Nihon Daijiten). Not easy to admit when one is wrong but always
>appreciate the opportunity to learn something more...
>-t
>
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>
>
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