Samurai photos

Hello all
I m new to this site
and i am amazed by it great source of info here!

i practice Atemi Jujistu and would love to find a nice photos or drawing of a Samurai
I would later use that photo as a tatoo to honor my martial art devotion
hope ou can send me some or point to the right site

Thank you so much
T.

Its best to show your devotion to budo by earning a black belt, not getting a tattoo.
B.Corella

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thank you for your reply but...

who say s i was not a black belt!
i have been practicing martial arts since i was 12 years old!
i m 38 ;)


T

Let's put things a different way. Your devotion to budo does you honor.
Those whom you respect would however be horrified at you showing your
respect by getting a tattoo. If you have students consider them "showing"
their respect for you by torturing small animals. Something they may be
"into" that you most definately wouldn't support. What would *your* reaction
be?

In addition, a small note. A lack of correct punctuation is not the way to
garner respect on this board. If you wish to be taken seriously, you have to
show appropriate seriousness in your posts. That includes taking the time
for capitalization and punctuation.

M.J. Peters

(whose tats prevent him from going to onsen in Japan. :( )

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>i have been practicing martial arts since i was 12 years old!
>i m 38 ;)
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my reply.


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--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Peters"
wrote:

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> Let's put things a different way. Your devotion to budo does you

honor.

> Those whom you respect would however be horrified at you showing your
> respect by getting a tattoo. If you have students consider them

"showing"

> their respect for you by torturing small animals. Something they may be
> "into" that you most definately wouldn't support. What would *your*

reaction

> be?
>

Lacking the little emoticon image of the guy with raised eyebrows
holding up the WFT? sign, I'll just come right out and say "WTF?".
Call me crazy, but not only do I not see a correlation between getting
a tattoo and torturing small animals, but I also have to play the
devil's advocate and ask why you would assume that "people [he]
respects" would be horrified at a tattoo? To further play Satan's
Lawyer, are you saying that "respectable" people don't get tattoos?
You've dug yourself a bit of a hole, can you get out? ;)

The only thing *I* could think about when hearing of tattoos and
disrespect is that in ancient Japan only 'eta' ('outcasts' as I
understood) had tattoos... right?
Anyway, I can't help you either, T.

Sincerely,
Thomas

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Kitsuno wrote:

> --- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Peters"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Let's put things a different way. Your devotion to budo does you
>>
> honor.
>
>> Those whom you respect would however be horrified at you showing your
>> respect by getting a tattoo. If you have students consider them
>>
> "showing"
>
>> their respect for you by torturing small animals. Something they may be
>> "into" that you most definately wouldn't support. What would *your*
>>
> reaction
>
>> be?
>>
>>
>
> Lacking the little emoticon image of the guy with raised eyebrows
> holding up the WFT? sign, I'll just come right out and say "WTF?".
> Call me crazy, but not only do I not see a correlation between getting
> a tattoo and torturing small animals, but I also have to play the
> devil's advocate and ask why you would assume that "people [he]
> respects" would be horrified at a tattoo? To further play Satan's
> Lawyer, are you saying that "respectable" people don't get tattoos?
> You've dug yourself a bit of a hole, can you get out? ;)

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>Lacking the little emoticon image of the guy with raised eyebrows
>holding up the WFT? sign, I'll just come right out and say "WTF?".
>Call me crazy, but not only do I not see a correlation between getting
>a tattoo and torturing small animals, but I also have to play the
>devil's advocate and ask why you would assume that "people [he]
>respects" would be horrified at a tattoo?

Kitsuno,

Cite instances of Samurai (not Yakuza who Claim to be following the
samurai tradition) wearing tattoos. Do you claim that during say, the
momoyama period, tattoos were socially acceptable by the bushi? The japanese
perception of tattoos as unclean is a modern only sensibility? The analogy
works unless of course he *is* into torturing small animals. My point was
simply something perfectly acceptable to someone in one time and culture
(tattoos, now, in the West) could be taken as bizarre at the least by
someone from another time and culture (tattoos in honor of something, then,
Japan).


To further play Satan's

>Lawyer, are you saying that "respectable" people don't get tattoos?
>You've dug yourself a bit of a hole, can you get out? ;)

Whether *I* feel respectable people don't get tattoos isn't the issue. The
issue is how tattoos are percieved in Japan. Note *I* have a tat and even
though most rules Japanese apply to themselves are ignored as baka gaijin
things when foreigners are concerned, there aren't many onsen I can visit
due to 1 small tat. Can you cite any "respectable" japanese who have tats
(entertainers excluded of course)? Note: respectable as it would be applied
in Japan. I have some japanese friends who have tats and they are great
people, but none are politicians, CEOs etc.

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--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Schmidt
wrote:

>
> The only thing *I* could think about when hearing of tattoos and
> disrespect is that in ancient Japan only 'eta' ('outcasts' as I
> understood) had tattoos... right?
> Anyway, I can't help you either, T.
>

The eta/burakumin didn't necessarily have tattoos - the tattoos were
for criminals who got caught, to mark them.

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Peters"
wrote:

>
>
> >
> >Lacking the little emoticon image of the guy with raised eyebrows
> >holding up the WFT? sign, I'll just come right out and say "WTF?".
> >Call me crazy, but not only do I not see a correlation between getting
> >a tattoo and torturing small animals, but I also have to play the
> >devil's advocate and ask why you would assume that "people [he]
> >respects" would be horrified at a tattoo?
>
>
> Kitsuno,
>
> Cite instances of Samurai (not Yakuza who Claim to be following the
> samurai tradition) wearing tattoos. Do you claim that during say, the
> momoyama period, tattoos were socially acceptable by the bushi? The

japanese

> perception of tattoos as unclean is a modern only sensibility? The

analogy

> works unless of course he *is* into torturing small animals. My

point was

> simply something perfectly acceptable to someone in one time and

culture

> (tattoos, now, in the West) could be taken as bizarre at the least by
> someone from another time and culture (tattoos in honor of

something, then,

> Japan).
>
>
> To further play Satan's
> >Lawyer, are you saying that "respectable" people don't get tattoos?
> >You've dug yourself a bit of a hole, can you get out? ;)
>
> Whether *I* feel respectable people don't get tattoos isn't the

issue. The

> issue is how tattoos are percieved in Japan. Note *I* have a tat and

even

> though most rules Japanese apply to themselves are ignored as baka

gaijin

> things when foreigners are concerned, there aren't many onsen I can

visit

> due to 1 small tat. Can you cite any "respectable" japanese who have

tats

> (entertainers excluded of course)? Note: respectable as it would be

applied

> in Japan. I have some japanese friends who have tats and they are great
> people, but none are politicians, CEOs etc.
>

Since the original email was from (presumably) an american in america
who wanted to get body art that reflected his interest in martial arts
and the Samurai as a personal (maybe even relatively private depending
on the location) symbol of his own interests, I didn't even consider
or see any relationship to Japan or the Samurai, which is why I had
trouble making sense out of what you meant. I would agree with you if
he was in/going to Japan and/or wanted to show off his tattoos to
Japanese people to show how much of a Samurai he is, but I didn't
really get that impression. It seemed pretty innocent, actually. So
since it seemed to me that it was an innocent request by an american
in america, it was easy for me to take your statement as a statement
of your personal feelings for tattoos. And I've seen plenty of people
in Japan with tattoos, it isn't as bad as it used to be. I even knew
a Japanese highschool teacher with tattoos around his collarbone,
where he could hide it. Schoolteachers are "supposed" to be
respectable. Anyway, you really can't make a blanket statement that
"NO 'respectable' Japanese person would get a tattoo", because it
would only take one person to get one to make your entire statement
false. I just percieved a subjective argument and played devil's
advocate and tried to poke holes in it. That's all.

Gentle People,

Tattoos - what an interesting subject. I've "bought in" to this thread because
I have seen lots of photos of glorious whole-body tattoos on Japanese men (don't
know about women) where in some cases the person's skin is willed to be
preserved. In fact, I believe there is a museum in Japan where tattooed human
skins are exhibited. So, always wanting to expand my knowledge I turned to
google with only two search keywords - 'tattoo' and 'samurai' inserted without
quotes. I got well over 1 million hits!!! Go here for a history of tattoo and
samurai in Japan:
http://tattoos.com/mieko.htm
One passage reads " Iizawa (1973) and Tamabayashi (1956) report that the custom
of tattooing is also found among samurai warriors in the sixteenth century. In
certain areas, the samurai had tattoos for identification." I venture to
suggest that this is a very extensive article of considerable interest to those
on our list.

Best regards,

Barry Thomas
(Melbourne, Australia)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kitsuno" <samurai-listowner@...>
To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:46 PM
Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Samurai photos


--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Peters"
wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Lacking the little emoticon image of the guy with raised eyebrows
> >holding up the WFT? sign, I'll just come right out and say "WTF?".
> >Call me crazy, but not only do I not see a correlation between getting
> >a tattoo and torturing small animals, but I also have to play the
> >devil's advocate and ask why you would assume that "people [he]
> >respects" would be horrified at a tattoo?
>
>
> Kitsuno,
>
> Cite instances of Samurai (not Yakuza who Claim to be following the
> samurai tradition) wearing tattoos. Do you claim that during say, the
> momoyama period, tattoos were socially acceptable by the bushi? The
japanese
> perception of tattoos as unclean is a modern only sensibility? The
analogy
> works unless of course he *is* into torturing small animals. My
point was
> simply something perfectly acceptable to someone in one time and
culture
> (tattoos, now, in the West) could be taken as bizarre at the least by
> someone from another time and culture (tattoos in honor of
something, then,
> Japan).

--->

> Since the original email was from (presumably) an american in america
> who wanted to get body art that reflected his interest in martial arts
> and the Samurai as a personal (maybe even relatively private depending
> on the location) symbol of his own interests, I didn't even consider
> or see any relationship to Japan or the Samurai, which is why I had
> trouble making sense out of what you meant. I would agree with you if
> he was in/going to Japan and/or wanted to show off his tattoos to
> Japanese people to show how much of a Samurai he is, but I didn't
> really get that impression. It seemed pretty innocent, actually. So
> since it seemed to me that it was an innocent request by an american
> in america, it was easy for me to take your statement as a statement
> of your personal feelings for tattoos. And I've seen plenty of people
> in Japan with tattoos, it isn't as bad as it used to be. I even knew
> a Japanese highschool teacher with tattoos around his collarbone,
> where he could hide it. Schoolteachers are "supposed" to be
> respectable. Anyway, you really can't make a blanket statement that
> "NO 'respectable' Japanese person would get a tattoo", because it
> would only take one person to get one to make your entire statement
> false. I just percieved a subjective argument and played devil's
> advocate and tried to poke holes in it. That's all.
>

REPLY
So funny how some people love to judge others!
this is my way of honoring my masters! and thats it!

T.

--- Thank you for your reply
You take it way too seriously!

Its not for you to tell me how to honor my masters.
I have shows them full devotion
and continue to do so.
I have been practicing Martial Arts for over 27 years and will continue to do so as long as my
body and mind allow me too.

I m looking for Samurai pictures not criticism.

Please respect the way i think
Ps i misspelled a word ?
and so what?
never happened to you ?



Thank you

--Thank you it makes sense.
T.