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#8642 [2006-03-31 16:11:57]

hanzo hattori

by the_jigglin_penguin

Hanzo was a master of the spear this i know. His favorite spear is
held in a temple in japan. I would like more info on the spear and its
location. Thanks!

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#8645 [2006-04-01 04:01:39]

Re: hanzo hattori

by kurotatsunoshi

"His favorite spear is held in a temple in japan. I would like more info on the spear and its location. Thanks!"

Hanzo's spear is at Sainen-ji temple near the Emperor's Palace (the former Edo Castle) in Tokyo. Hanzo endowed the temple and his gravesite is there. The spear was heavily damaged during the American firebombings of Tokyo in WWII and I believe only the blade with a small bit of shaft remains.

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#8647 [2006-04-01 19:53:41]

Re: [samuraihistory] hanzo hattori

by Barry Thomas

Dear Friends,

This seemed like an interesting topic for research by a recently retired man!! One saying came to mind immediately - "Ask not what you can do for your computer, but what your computer can do for you" (with apologies to President John F. Kennedy). By this I mean, before seeking advice one should comb cyber space for the information one seeks.

Having done this for the last half hour I find that google searches for "Hanzo Hattori" (with quotes) leads to something like 22,300 hits, many in foreign languages. Then, very common hits occur on sites related to this list's bête noire - Ninja...

Then I found a ninja expression - "patience is but a short time". I found this particularly apposite to web searches of the sort before me!!! So, to the findings:

From the website:

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=3epmqci8nojef?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Hattori+Hanz%C5%8D&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04b&linktext=Hattori%20Hanz%C5%8D

I found the following:
To this day, artifacts of Hanzo's legacy remain; the Imperial Palace (formerly the shogun's palace) still has a gate called Hanzo's Gate, and the Hanzo-mon subway line which runs from central Tokyo to the southwestern suburbs is named after the gate. Hanzo's remains now rest in the Sainen-ji temple cemetery in Shinjuku, Tokyo. The temple also holds his favorite spears.

This leads to still more searches, which I will now leave to those more interested in the topic, like searching on "Sainen-ji"...

Best regards,

Barry Thomas
(Melbourne, Australia)

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From: "the_jigglin_penguin" <the_jigglin_penguin@...>
To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [samuraihistory] hanzo hattori


Hanzo was a master of the spear this i know. His favorite spear is
held in a temple in japan. I would like more info on the spear and its
location. Thanks!

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#8654 [2006-04-02 09:56:46]

Re: [samuraihistory] hanzo hattori

by the_jigglin_penguin

You make me laugh. thank you.

Barry Thomas <warlord@...> wrote: Dear Friends,

This seemed like an interesting topic for research by a recently retired man!! One saying came to mind immediately - "Ask not what you can do for your computer, but what your computer can do for you" (with apologies to President John F. Kennedy). By this I mean, before seeking advice one should comb cyber space for the information one seeks.

Having done this for the last half hour I find that google searches for "Hanzo Hattori" (with quotes) leads to something like 22,300 hits, many in foreign languages. Then, very common hits occur on sites related to this list's bête noire - Ninja...

Then I found a ninja expression - "patience is but a short time". I found this particularly apposite to web searches of the sort before me!!! So, to the findings:

From the website:

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=3epmqci8nojef?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Hattori+Hanz%C5%8D&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc04b&linktext=Hattori%20Hanz%C5%8D

I found the following:
To this day, artifacts of Hanzo's legacy remain; the Imperial Palace (formerly the shogun's palace) still has a gate called Hanzo's Gate, and the Hanzo-mon subway line which runs from central Tokyo to the southwestern suburbs is named after the gate. Hanzo's remains now rest in the Sainen-ji temple cemetery in Shinjuku, Tokyo. The temple also holds his favorite spears.

This leads to still more searches, which I will now leave to those more interested in the topic, like searching on "Sainen-ji"...

Best regards,

Barry Thomas
(Melbourne, Australia)

----- Original Message -----
From: "the_jigglin_penguin" <the_jigglin_penguin@...>
To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 9:11 AM
Subject: [samuraihistory] hanzo hattori


Hanzo was a master of the spear this i know. His favorite spear is
held in a temple in japan. I would like more info on the spear and its
location. Thanks!

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#8655 [2006-04-02 18:08:35]

Re: [samuraihistory] hanzo hattori

by soshuju

On Mar 31, 2006, at 3:11 PM, the_jigglin_penguin wrote:

> Hanzo was a master of the spear this i know. His favorite spear is
> held in a temple in japan. I would like more info on the spear and its
> location. Thanks!
>

From Nihon no Meiso by Numata;

Once a splendid Omi-yari with a ryo-shinogi blade 3shaku 3zun 3bu in
length, copper fittings, with an oak pole 5shaku 7sun long. In it's
current state the broken blade is just 3shaku 2sun 2bu(99.4cm) and
half of the original pole is burnt away. There are three mekugi-ana
in the heavily rusted nakago and no signature is visible. Temple
records suggest that it was damaged in an earthquake sometime in the
Ansei period.
It is said he was the head of the Iga ninja clan and a splendid
warrior. There was a popular saying;
Tokugawa-dono wa hito mochi yo
Hattori Hanzo Oni Hanzo
Watanabe Hanzo Yari Hanzo
Atsumi Gengo wa Kubitori Gengo

Lord Tokugawa is a man rich with able men
Hattori Hanzo "The Demon Hanzo"
Watanabe Hanzo "Hanzo the spear"
Atsumi Gengo "The Headhunter Gengo"

The Kansei Kafu records that Hattori Hanzo was crucial in the attack
of Kakegawa-jo. His contribution was noted in the battles of Anegawa,
Ushikubo, Kozakai and Takatenjin and he earned special merit at
Mikatagahara.
At Hamamatsu-jo he was presented with a Yari, and given command of
150 Iga no mono. It is not clear if this THE spear he was presented
with. Afterward he defeated Chikuwan, a Takeda spy and took as prize
his Soshu Hiromasa Kaiken (tanto), a deed for which he was given an
Oboshi kabuto, a yoroi and a saihai.
At the time of the attack on the Honno-ji, Iyeyasu needed to return
quickly to Mikawa. It was Hattori and his Iga men that provided the
body guard on that trip. Iyeyasu rewarded him with Ishimi no mura,
with an estimated annual rice production of 8000 koku. He took up
residence within Edo castle where to this day the Hanzo gate honors
his name. Hanzo died in Keicho gannen aged 55. The original Sainen-ji
was located just outside the Hanzo-mon until it was moved to it's
present location for the expansion of Edo Castle.


There is a picture of this yari in the catalog of the Nihon no Meiso
exhibition. If I get the chance I will try to scan it in and post it
in the photo albums, though I have to say it isn't much to look at...
-t

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#8662 [2006-04-08 06:54:40]

Re: [samuraihistory] hanzo hattori

by shikisokuzekukusokuzeshiki8

2006/4/1, the_jigglin_penguin <the_jigglin_penguin@...>:
> Hanzo was a master of the spear this i know. His favorite spear is
> held in a temple in japan. I would like more info on the spear and its
> location. Thanks!

here is the spear
http://www.regasu-shinjuku.or.jp/shozoshiryo/b06_rekishi/bunka_056.html

This is Sainenji temple where the spear is.
http://www.jtvan.co.jp/sanpo/yotsuya02.html

Nearest station is Yotsuya.

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#9107 [2006-10-16 16:28:46]

Re: [samuraihistory]

by jpellgen

I am working on a section of my master's thesis dealing with the Hogen Incident. I was wondering if anyone has any additional sources for information about Uno Chikahara. It isn't vital, but I thought it couldn't hurt to ask.

Thanks everybody,

Jonathan P. Ellgen



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#9109 [2006-10-16 22:20:09]

Re: Hogen [samuraihistory]

by cepooooo

Jonathan,
I think I have seen a monograph on the Hogen disturbance, but if I
remember well it was some dissertation or a limited print; since the
pages inside were "typed" the way thesis/dissertations used to be
until a couple of decades ago. Have you seen it? I might actually
have a copy, alas, it is at my place in Japan and I have no idea
about when I will return.

Will you share your thesis with us once is done? :o)

I am revising mine as I type here...

Best,
Cesare Polenghi
University of Hawai'i


On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:28 PM, jonathan ellgen wrote:

> I am working on a section of my master's thesis dealing with the
> Hogen Incident. I was wondering if anyone has any additional
> sources for information about Uno Chikahara. It isn't vital, but I
> thought it couldn't hurt to ask.
>
> Thanks everybody,
>
> Jonathan P. Ellgen
>
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#9394 [2007-03-03 10:53:39]

Re: [samuraihistory] Historia de Japam

by jpellgen

I have a question... Perhaps you guys can point me in the right direction.

I was wondering if anyone is aware of any translations of Luis Frois' Historia de Japam. I believe it was partially translated into German at one point. My German skills havent been used since college, so that doesn't help me. Im searching through JSTOR, but no dice yet.

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#9396 [2007-03-05 14:54:50]

Re: [samuraihistory] Historia de Japam

by largethomassails

I might be able to translate, if you found a copy.
Cheers
Thomas

jonathan ellgen wrote:
> I have a question... Perhaps you guys can point me in the right direction.
>
> I was wondering if anyone is aware of any translations of Luis Frois' Historia de Japam. I believe it was partially translated into German at one point. My German skills havent been used since college, so that doesn't help me. Im searching through JSTOR, but no dice yet.
>
> Jonathan P. Ellgen





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#9399 [2007-03-05 18:33:57]

Re: [samuraihistory] Historia de Japam

by jpellgen

It is my understanding that the original was lost in a fire and what we have as the main text dates from the 1800's and is written in its original Portugese language. Im not sure if that was broken into three seperate volumes or not. I know the Japanese translation is something like 12 volumes.

I have the book information from Amazon UK, but that's about as far as I got... If you translate this, you may want to publish it as it would be a very time-consuming process. However, if you want to undertake something like that, Im sure the English-speaking community would be quite impressed :)

Publisher: Presidência do Conselho de Ministros, Secretaria de Estado da Cultura, Direcção-Geral do Património Cultural, Biblioteca Nacional de Lisboa (1976)
ASIN: B0000D5WCI
Jonathan P Ellgen


Thomas Schmidt <largethomassails@...> wrote: I might be able to translate, if you found a copy.
Cheers
Thomas

jonathan ellgen wrote:
> I have a question... Perhaps you guys can point me in the right direction.
>
> I was wondering if anyone is aware of any translations of Luis Frois' Historia de Japam. I believe it was partially translated into German at one point. My German skills havent been used since college, so that doesn't help me. Im searching through JSTOR, but no dice yet.
>
> Jonathan P. Ellgen



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