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#8415 [2006-02-17 18:56:06]

Hitokiri

by angeljoanes

Didi you guys ever know about Hitokiri at the bakumatsu period? They said there are four great hitokiri at that time...


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#8423 [2006-02-20 11:23:35]

Re: [samuraihistory] Hitokiri

by johntwo8

YEAH ya ya ya another Hitokiri lesson. This may be my favorite part of the group.

Angel Joanes <angeljoanes@...> wrote: Didi you guys ever know about Hitokiri at the bakumatsu period? They said there are four great hitokiri at that time...


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#8424 [2006-02-20 12:48:19]

Re: Hitokiri

by ijinmibu

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Angel Joanes
wrote:
>
> Didi you guys ever know about Hitokiri at the bakumatsu period? They
said there are four great hitokiri at that time...
>

I've heard of a hitokiri by the name of Kawakami Gensai, he was one
of the four great assassins of the revolutionary period. He was short
and shinny, and could be mistaken at first glance for a woman.
Contrary to his appearance, he was clever and clear-head despite also
being the most dreaded among all the hitokiri.
Master of an original sword-style called "Shiranui-ryu", Kawakami
is famous for felling the great idealist Sakuma Shozan in one swing,
in mid-day. Kawakami is nevertheless a mysterious figure.
After the revolution he was unable to let go of the idea that Japan
should remain closed to the world. Kawakami found himself in frequent
conflict with the revolutionary government. Ultimately, he was accused
of a crime he did not commit and executed in the 4th year of Meiji. Oh
and Kenshin Himura, from Rurouni Kenshin is based on Kawakami, and I
dont know who the other Hitokiri's are.

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#8425 [2006-02-20 17:38:28]

RE: [samuraihistory] Re: Hitokiri

by samurai_iaijutsu

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> From: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ijin Mibu
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:48 AM
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [samuraihistory] Re: Hitokiri

>
> I've heard of a hitokiri by the name of Kawakami Gensai,
> he was one of the four great assassins of the revolutionary
> period. He was short and shinny, and could be mistaken at
> first glance for a woman.
> Contrary to his appearance, he was clever and clear-head
> despite also being the most dreaded among all the hitokiri.
> Master of an original sword-style called "Shiranui-ryu",
> Kawakami is famous for felling the great idealist Sakuma
> Shozan in one swing, in mid-day. Kawakami is nevertheless a
> mysterious figure.
> After the revolution he was unable to let go of the idea
> that Japan should remain closed to the world. Kawakami found
> himself in frequent conflict with the revolutionary
> government. Ultimately, he was accused of a crime he did not
> commit and executed in the 4th year of Meiji. Oh and Kenshin
> Himura, from Rurouni Kenshin is based on Kawakami, and I dont
> know who the other Hitokiri's are.
>

Click this link for reading the 3 of hitokiri, Kawakami Gensai, Tanaka
Shimbe, and Izo Okada: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitokiri

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#8426 [2006-02-20 17:55:56]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Hitokiri

by johntwo8

Izo Okada another of the imfamous 4 hitokiri and a personal favorite. However, is it true that Kawakami would want Japan to be closed off? Wasn' t that what he was fighting aginst. Please correct me if I am incorrect. GOD BLESS ALL

Ijin Mibu <ijinmibu@...> wrote: --- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Angel Joanes
wrote:
>
> Didi you guys ever know about Hitokiri at the bakumatsu period? They
said there are four great hitokiri at that time...
>

I've heard of a hitokiri by the name of Kawakami Gensai, he was one
of the four great assassins of the revolutionary period. He was short
and shinny, and could be mistaken at first glance for a woman.
Contrary to his appearance, he was clever and clear-head despite also
being the most dreaded among all the hitokiri.
Master of an original sword-style called "Shiranui-ryu", Kawakami
is famous for felling the great idealist Sakuma Shozan in one swing,
in mid-day. Kawakami is nevertheless a mysterious figure.
After the revolution he was unable to let go of the idea that Japan
should remain closed to the world. Kawakami found himself in frequent
conflict with the revolutionary government. Ultimately, he was accused
of a crime he did not commit and executed in the 4th year of Meiji. Oh
and Kenshin Himura, from Rurouni Kenshin is based on Kawakami, and I
dont know who the other Hitokiri's are.








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#8428 [2006-02-21 07:53:36]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Hitokiri

by jpellgen

It was my understanding that part of the job of the Shinsengumi was to suppress the action of the hitokiri, although I could be wrong. If that is the case, then it would make sense that the hitokiri would be isolationists, because the Shinsengumi were pawns of the shogunate. Also, he was originally from Kumamoto which makes sense geographically if you follow this line of thinking. I cant remember if Kawakami was mentioned specifically in Hillsborough's book, but his book on the Shinsengumi was very good. Im sure most of the readings related to this topic will be in Japanese though.

Jonathan

james wilson <johntwo8@...> wrote: Izo Okada another of the imfamous 4 hitokiri and a personal favorite. However, is it true that Kawakami would want Japan to be closed off? Wasn' t that what he was fighting aginst. Please correct me if I am incorrect. GOD BLESS ALL





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#8430 [2006-02-21 13:42:14]

Re: Hitokiri

by ijinmibu

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, james wilson
wrote:
>
> Izo Okada another of the imfamous 4 hitokiri and a personal
favorite. However, is it true that Kawakami would want Japan to be
closed off? Wasn' t that what he was fighting aginst. Please correct
me if I am incorrect. GOD BLESS ALL
>

Kawakami worked to restore the Emperor to power but he was an
isolationism, meaning he wanted Meiji to take power, but for Japan
to stay the same.





> Ijin Mibu wrote: --- In
samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Angel Joanes
> wrote:
> >
> > Didi you guys ever know about Hitokiri at the bakumatsu period?
They
> said there are four great hitokiri at that time...
> >
>
> I've heard of a hitokiri by the name of Kawakami Gensai, he was
one
> of the four great assassins of the revolutionary period. He was
short
> and shinny, and could be mistaken at first glance for a woman.
> Contrary to his appearance, he was clever and clear-head despite
also
> being the most dreaded among all the hitokiri.
> Master of an original sword-style called "Shiranui-ryu",
Kawakami
> is famous for felling the great idealist Sakuma Shozan in one
swing,
> in mid-day. Kawakami is nevertheless a mysterious figure.
> After the revolution he was unable to let go of the idea that
Japan
> should remain closed to the world. Kawakami found himself in
frequent
> conflict with the revolutionary government. Ultimately, he was
accused
> of a crime he did not commit and executed in the 4th year of
Meiji. Oh
> and Kenshin Himura, from Rurouni Kenshin is based on Kawakami, and
I
> dont know who the other Hitokiri's are.
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#8431 [2006-02-21 13:47:28]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Hitokiri

by johntwo8

It was the Shogun that wanted to remain isolated not the impearealist. The shogun loses remember. Be well

jonathan ellgen <jpellgen@...> wrote: It was my understanding that part of the job of the Shinsengumi was to suppress the action of the hitokiri, although I could be wrong. If that is the case, then it would make sense that the hitokiri would be isolationists, because the Shinsengumi were pawns of the shogunate. Also, he was originally from Kumamoto which makes sense geographically if you follow this line of thinking. I cant remember if Kawakami was mentioned specifically in Hillsborough's book, but his book on the Shinsengumi was very good. Im sure most of the readings related to this topic will be in Japanese though.

Jonathan

james wilson <johntwo8@...> wrote: Izo Okada another of the imfamous 4 hitokiri and a personal favorite. However, is it true that Kawakami would want Japan to be closed off? Wasn' t that what he was fighting aginst. Please correct me if I am incorrect. GOD BLESS ALL





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#8433 [2006-02-21 14:56:22]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Hitokiri

by jpellgen

Yes, thats my mistake. Pardon me... It was a mistyping on my part.

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#8443 [2006-02-22 06:24:56]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Hitokiri

by soshuju

On Feb 21, 2006, at 1:47 PM, james wilson wrote:

> It was the Shogun that wanted to remain isolated not the
> impearealist. The shogun loses remember. Be well
>
>
> james wilson <johntwo8@...> wrote: Izo Okada another
> of the imfamous 4 hitokiri and a personal favorite. However, is it
> true that Kawakami would want Japan to be closed off? Wasn' t that
> what he was fighting aginst. Please correct me if I am incorrect.
> GOD BLESS ALL
>
>
>
>
James, Angel et al -
I would have to disagree with the above. Though the policy of
isolation was Bakufu policy, the Tokugawa government was more engaged
with and better informed of the outside world that the Imperial court
in 1853. For years they had traded with the Dutch, kept up on
developments in Europe and even sponsored schools of Western studies.
After the coming of Perry, they were loathe to trade with the West
but saw few alternatives, they chose to accomodate the Foreign powers
until they could stand on equal footing and perhaps drive them out.
(No one in Japan really wanted the Foreigners there) The Court
however, insisted that the Bakufu fulfill its mandate and immediately
drive them out. When they chose not to do so, many in the country saw
this as treason against the emperor and perhaps sensing weakness
began calling for the expulsion of Foreigners and the Restoration of
the Emperor.
Many of the most xenophobic Shishi did not live to see the
Restoration, those that did had to either adapt or be left behind. In
the end the pragmatists within the new government chose the same
policy as that of the Tokugawa; to accomodate the Foreigners, learn
all that they could from the West and then use Western technology to
drive the barbarians out. They nearly succeed, but by the time of the
Great Pacific War their dream had become so twisted, and they so
corrupt it could never last.
You are forgetting BTW, my favorite, Hitokiri Hanjiro, who later
became known as Kirino Toshiaki...
-t

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