Hideyoshi's men

Hi everybody. Few days ago I stated a question and there
was now feedback so I'll try to ask again and in different way. I'm
doing some research on Toyotomi Hideyoshi and I'd like to write
something about those men who helped him on his way. Undoubtedly he was
the warrior with great talent and he is the one who managed to rule the
whole country. But there were also some man who figured as advisors or
helped him or just acted in way, which gave Hideyoshi great chance to
accomplish his mission (for example Sakuma Morimasa). I don't think that
without those men, Hideyoshi won't be the ruler of Japan, but I just to
know something about them and for my work I'd like to know opinions of
you on this subject. So if you could write me some names and the reason
why do you think they helped him, I'll be grateful to you.


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Hi there..
On this issue you would certainly have to consider Oda Nobunaga. There can
be little doubt that without the help of Oda, Hideyoshi would NEVER have
risen to the postion that he finally did..From bringing him onto the stage as
a Samurai through to Hideyoshi's vengeance that lead to his achieving the
unification of Japan, Oda Nobunaga was THE pivotal figure in Hideyoshi's rise
upwards.
A few good books on both men are available; I would suggest that you start
with 'Hideyoshi' by Elizabeth Berry...A thorough look at the man and his
policies and those who helped him in his rise. Also I would read 'Japonius
Tyrannus-Nobunaga reconsidered' By Jerome Lamarrs (?) another very good book
on Oda and his ties to the Toyotomi house.
Another possible candidate in your question would be Tokugawa Ieyasu as the
eventual Shogun aided Hideyoshi throughout as an equal commander under
Nobunaga before finally outgrowing and out living Hideyoshi...I am sure that
the influence of both of these men helped Hideyoshi and his understanding of
Japanese politics at that stage in Japanese history.
Others? Kato Kiyomasa perhaps, Inaba Ittetsu, or any of the Samurai that
helped in the Osaka battles of 1615...Many of the generals there had strong
ties to the Toyotomi and gave aid there due to the debt they felt they owed
to Hideyoshi and his family....Rather than Tokugawa.
Long issue but the books I recommended will help you out. Also try to read
up on the Korean invasions of the late 16th century as many of the Samurai
involved there were staunch supporters of the Toyotomi.
HTH.
Abayo.
Ben Sharples

Hi,there were so many men whohelped Hideyoshi that I can not write up
each detail this time.Please ask me about people that you don't know
later.

Toyotomi Hidenaga,his younger brother
Takenaka hanbee,Kuroda Kanbee,as strategist
Maeda Toshiie
Hachisuka Koroku
Ishida Mitsunari
Kato Kiyomasa
Fukushima Masanori
Ankokuji Ekei
Konishi Yukinaga
Sen no Rikyuu(Sadou-Master)
Kobayakawa Takakage
Ikeda Terumasa
Asano Nagamasa

There are much more men who contribute to Hideyoshimore or
less.Ieyasu can be said one of them.

Regards

Shinsei

If you are doing research on Hideyoshi make sure you look at the work by
Kuniyoshi - " Pictorial Biography of Toyotomi Hideyoshi the Unifier of
Japan", from the Japanese woodblock edition of 1855-1884 compiled by
W.M.Hawley 1975. The work consists of over 600 monochrome prints (aprox A4
size) depicting the life of Hideyoshi with the print caption translated into
English. You should be able to obtain this through a local library.

Best wishes,
Rod Johnson

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> Hi everybody. Few days ago I stated a question and there
> was now feedback so I'll try to ask again and in different way. I'm
> doing some research on Toyotomi Hideyoshi and I'd like to write
> something about those men who helped him on his way. Undoubtedly he was
> the warrior with great talent and he is the one who managed to rule the
> whole country. But there were also some man who figured as advisors or
> helped him or just acted in way, which gave Hideyoshi great chance to
> accomplish his mission (for example Sakuma Morimasa). I don't think that
> without those men, Hideyoshi won't be the ruler of Japan, but I just to
> know something about them and for my work I'd like to know opinions of
> you on this subject. So if you could write me some names and the reason
> why do you think they helped him, I'll be grateful to you.
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Rod

Good point on libraries.

Any idea on this request I posted a while ago.

If anyone else can help that would be great.

I am also looking for decent reproductions of some of the battle screens
illustrated in various Turnbull and Bryant works (well I think some are in
Tonys books they are not to hand right now) for the same reasons.

Kind regards

Rob

Rob Broom
Warhammer Historical General Manager

Hi

Just reading through the new Stephen Turnbull Samurai Invasion korea war
1592- 98.

He shows a number of details of the Ehon Taikoki - Takenouchi, Kazusai
(woodblock printed edition edition- Kobayashi Roekubei, Osaka, Printed
edition Yuhodo Bunko Series no 81- 1917.) 1802

My question, any suggestions where I can get a copy or photocopy so I can
study the illustrations more closely?
(getting older, need larger pictures!)

Many thanks for any suggestions or guidance or help.

please drop me a mail at robb@...

Kind regards

Rob

Rob Broom
Warhammer Historical General Manager
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 21:30:33 +0100
From: "shogun.uk" <shogun.uk@...>
Subject: Re: Hideyoshi's men

If you are doing research on Hideyoshi make sure you look at the work by
Kuniyoshi - " Pictorial Biography of Toyotomi Hideyoshi the Unifier of
Japan", from the Japanese woodblock edition of 1855-1884 compiled by
W.M.Hawley 1975. The work consists of over 600 monochrome prints (aprox A4
size) depicting the life of Hideyoshi with the print caption translated into
English. You should be able to obtain this through a local library.

Best wishes,
Rod Johnson

Rob Broom wrote:

> Rod
>
> Good point on libraries.
>
> Any idea on this request I posted a while ago.
>
> If anyone else can help that would be great.
>
> I am also looking for decent reproductions of some of the battle screens
> illustrated in various Turnbull and Bryant works (well I think some are in
> Tonys books they are not to hand right now) for the same reasons.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Rob
>
> Rob Broom
> Warhammer Historical General Manager
>
> Hi
>
> Just reading through the new Stephen Turnbull Samurai Invasion korea war
> 1592- 98.
>
> He shows a number of details of the Ehon Taikoki - Takenouchi, Kazusai
> (woodblock printed edition edition- Kobayashi Roekubei, Osaka, Printed
> edition Yuhodo Bunko Series no 81- 1917.) 1802
>
> My question, any suggestions where I can get a copy or photocopy so I can
> study the illustrations more closely?
> (getting older, need larger pictures!)
>
> Many thanks for any suggestions or guidance or help.
>
> please drop me a mail at robb@...
>
> Kind regards
>
> Rob
>
> Rob Broom
> Warhammer Historical General Manager
> Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 21:30:33 +0100
> From: "shogun.uk" <shogun.uk@...>
> Subject: Re: Hideyoshi's men
>
> If you are doing research on Hideyoshi make sure you look at the work by
> Kuniyoshi - " Pictorial Biography of Toyotomi Hideyoshi the Unifier of
> Japan", from the Japanese woodblock edition of 1855-1884 compiled by
> W.M.Hawley 1975. The work consists of over 600 monochrome prints (aprox A4
> size) depicting the life of Hideyoshi with the print caption translated into
> English. You should be able to obtain this through a local library.

Rod, do you need hard copies or would web links to good graphics be okay?


Tony

Rob,

If you can be more specific regarding the battle screens....... I have a
large collection of Japanese works containing quite a range of screens
illustrating battles and, subject to copyright etc....., I may be able to
provide hard copies if that is what you need.

Tony may be able to provide web links (see his message) - and there are some
good illustrations on various site!!

Rod Johnson

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Rob Broom wrote:
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:27 PM



> Rod

> I am also looking for decent reproductions of some of the battle screens
> illustrated in various Turnbull and Bryant works (well I think some are in
> Tonys books they are not to hand right now) for the same reasons.

Tony

Its Rob asking!
(errr, pleading, hoping....)

Web links to good graphics should be OK, if thats easist for you.
Or if hard copy is easier then thats good too.

My email is robb@...

Many thanks and kind regards

Rob

Rob Broom
Warhammer Historical General Manager



Message: 10
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 14:00:20 -0600
From: "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...>
Subject: Re: Hideyoshi's men

Rob Broom wrote:

> Rod
>
> Good point on libraries.
>
> Any idea on this request I posted a while ago.
>
> If anyone else can help that would be great.
>
> I am also looking for decent reproductions of some of the battle screens
> illustrated in various Turnbull and Bryant works (well I think some are in
> Tonys books they are not to hand right now) for the same reasons.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Rob
>
> Rob Broom
> Warhammer Historical General Manager
>
> Hi
>
> Just reading through the new Stephen Turnbull Samurai Invasion korea war
> 1592- 98.
>
> He shows a number of details of the Ehon Taikoki - Takenouchi, Kazusai
> (woodblock printed edition edition- Kobayashi Roekubei, Osaka, Printed
> edition Yuhodo Bunko Series no 81- 1917.) 1802
>
> My question, any suggestions where I can get a copy or photocopy so I can
> study the illustrations more closely?
> (getting older, need larger pictures!)
>
> Many thanks for any suggestions or guidance or help.
>
> please drop me a mail at robb@...
>
> Kind regards
>
> Rob
>
> Rob Broom
> Warhammer Historical General Manager
> Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 21:30:33 +0100
> From: "shogun.uk" <shogun.uk@...>
> Subject: Re: Hideyoshi's men
>
> If you are doing research on Hideyoshi make sure you look at the work by
> Kuniyoshi - " Pictorial Biography of Toyotomi Hideyoshi the Unifier of
> Japan", from the Japanese woodblock edition of 1855-1884 compiled by
> W.M.Hawley 1975. The work consists of over 600 monochrome prints (aprox A4
> size) depicting the life of Hideyoshi with the print caption translated

into

> English. You should be able to obtain this through a local library.

Rod, do you need hard copies or would web links to good graphics be okay?


Tony





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Rob,

Have a look at this site before it closes!! An interesting site from the
Niigata Prefectural Museum of History

http://www.nbz.or.jp/eng/uesugi03.htm

This will lead you to battle scenes from clashes between the Takeda and
Uesugi Clans - OK not Hideyoshi, but!!

Rod Johnson

> Rob,
>
> Have a look at this site before it closes!! An interesting site from

the

> Niigata Prefectural Museum of History
>
> http://www.nbz.or.jp/eng/uesugi03.htm
>
> This will lead you to battle scenes from clashes between the Takeda

and

> Uesugi Clans - OK not Hideyoshi, but!!
>
> Rod Johnson

Glad you guys like it! The exhibit is closed but until we run out of
server room, the photos will stay up! The exhibition catalog is still
available (1000 yen + postage + bank fee [depends on how you pay]).

Best, Mark Hall (Niigata Prefectural Museum---if its work related, get
in touch with me at hall@...)

Rod and Mark

Thanks for the information.
(and I recommend the catalog, I have one, thanks again Mark)
The web site is a good visit as well.

Rod will make a list of battle screens I want to look at in more
detail and perhaps we can talk off list..

I have most English Language works on the Samurai and my email is
robb@...

In the week I am in Nottingham, currently home at weekends is
Bristol...

Kind regards

Rob

Rob Broom
Warhammer Historical General Manager.