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#814 [2002-05-01 15:47:54]

A Period in Japanese History

by ryer71

Crew,

I am interested in writing a story regarding Samurai.
I am unsure as to which period in Japanese history to write
about. Pre Tokugawa? Tokugawa? After America sought trade?
Between Edo and Kyoto, I am unsure which city would be more
interesting. Edo is a distance from Kyoto. Did more action
take place in and/or around Kyoto? I can look within an
encyclopedias but I would rather focus on one time period
at a time; I get overwhelmed. You folks can supply me with
more detail in certain areas than an encyclopedia can. I
would appreciate your time and knowledge. Thank you.

Melvin

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#815 [2002-05-01 20:03:57]

Re: [samuraihistory] A Period in Japanese History

by sengokudaimyo

Juan Rodriguez wrote:

> Crew,
>
> I am interested in writing a story regarding Samurai.
> I am unsure as to which period in Japanese history to write
> about. Pre Tokugawa? Tokugawa? After America sought trade?
> Between Edo and Kyoto, I am unsure which city would be more
> interesting. Edo is a distance from Kyoto. Did more action
> take place in and/or around Kyoto? I can look within an
> encyclopedias but I would rather focus on one time period
> at a time; I get overwhelmed. You folks can supply me with
> more detail in certain areas than an encyclopedia can. I
> would appreciate your time and knowledge. Thank you.

As a writer, I'd like to make a few (stupid sounding at first) suggestions.

1. Know the story you want to tell first.
2. Put the setting in the period where it belongs.
3. Make the setting the place that is appropriate.

We can't tell you anything because we don't know the story you're writing.
Only you can do that.


Tony

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#817 [2002-05-01 22:56:15]

Re: [samuraihistory] A Period in Japanese History

by ryer71

The reason I haven't made up my mind is because they are
all interesting periods. Maybe I'm in a bit of a rush; I
haven't been able to sit down at a library w/enough time. I
attend school p/t and work f/t; I squeeze the time that I
can spare into this! You are definitely 100% correct. I
figured that I would get feedback (opinions) and see what
you, and everyone else, thinks. Why this certain period vs.
that certain period. I figured you guys can be a compass;
point and I'll go. With enough interest in one period, I
might research the other or simply go with the flow.

Melvin


--- "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:
> Juan Rodriguez wrote:
>
> > Crew,
> >
> > I am interested in writing a story regarding
> Samurai.
> > I am unsure as to which period in Japanese history to
> write
> > about. Pre Tokugawa? Tokugawa? After America sought
> trade?
> > Between Edo and Kyoto, I am unsure which city would be
> more
> > interesting. Edo is a distance from Kyoto. Did more
> action
> > take place in and/or around Kyoto? I can look within an
> > encyclopedias but I would rather focus on one time
> period
> > at a time; I get overwhelmed. You folks can supply me
> with
> > more detail in certain areas than an encyclopedia can.
> I
> > would appreciate your time and knowledge. Thank you.
>
> As a writer, I'd like to make a few (stupid sounding at
> first) suggestions.
>
> 1. Know the story you want to tell first.
> 2. Put the setting in the period where it belongs.
> 3. Make the setting the place that is appropriate.
>
> We can't tell you anything because we don't know the
> story you're writing.
> Only you can do that.
>
>
> Tony
>
>


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#819 [2002-05-02 13:15:01]

Re: [samuraihistory] A Period in Japanese History

by sengokudaimyo

Juan Rodriguez wrote:

> The reason I haven't made up my mind is because they are
> all interesting periods. Maybe I'm in a bit of a rush; I
> haven't been able to sit down at a library w/enough time. I
> attend school p/t and work f/t; I squeeze the time that I
> can spare into this! You are definitely 100% correct. I
> figured that I would get feedback (opinions) and see what
> you, and everyone else, thinks. Why this certain period vs.
> that certain period. I figured you guys can be a compass;
> point and I'll go. With enough interest in one period, I
> might research the other or simply go with the flow.
>

Then I suggest that you don't have a story to tell. You just want to tell a
story.

Again, please remember that I speak from years in the business. Unless *you*
know what story you want to tell, you are kidding yourself and wasting time.

While there may be ideas that you can get from any particular period, it
depends on *your* interests and what makes *you* excited.

We can't tell you that.

All we can do is say what *we* find interesting, which does nothing to
further *your* goals of telling a story....

A story *you* don't even yet know!

Frankly, I could fill a cruise ship with the number of people who wanted to
write the Great American Novel, if they only had something to write about.

Tony

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#820 [2002-05-02 13:18:27]

Japanese Inn by Statler Oliver (Slightly OT?)

by pwittine

Can anybody who somewhat knows the subject, tell me if this book can be
taken at face value, or is it just another misguided attempt at
understanding Eastern culture and history by a citizen of the West?

Paul Wittine

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#821 [2002-05-02 13:36:53]

Re: Japanese Inn by Statler Oliver (Slightly OT?)

by kitsuno

I've never seen it, but it is from the university of Hawaii press
which has a respectable asian studies / Japanese program and in the
past has always seemed to put out quality books...

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#822 [2002-05-02 14:39:06]

Re: [samuraihistory] A Period in Japanese History

by rodjohnson_uk

Whilst perhaps not 100% accurate in all aspects, but quite enjoyable fiction
of 17th cent Japan, it is worth checking out Laura Joh Rowland's novels of a
samurai "policeman" - Sano Ichiro.


http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/laurajohrowland/ljr.html

I have a bookshelf heaving with novels from early days through to late 19th
century, if there is no site on the web cataloguing these types of work
perhaps it would be worth me spending some time and working on a
spreadsheet!!

Now if it is a story of fact you wish to write... then that is something
different... My book keeps growing!! One day I may try to get it
published!!!

Good Luck,

Rod Johnson

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#824 [2002-05-02 15:06:14]

Re: [samuraihistory] Japanese Inn by Statler Oliver (Slightly OT?)

by rodjohnson_uk

Having just stated that I have a heaving bookshelf of novels....... This is
not a novel in the full sense but rather "faction" - a very interesting way
of portraying events in the Inn by using little playlets. I would recommend
it to light readers as well as serious readers. I have a copy from 1961,
published in New York by Random House. In it I have kept a review by a
literature critic of the time (in the Daily Telegraph I think). I thought it
might be of interest, as an aside the cost then was 35s - £1.75 in sterling
now or about $2.50:

JAPANESE INN. By Oliver Statler. (.Secker and Warburg. 35s.)

FOR Mr. Statler in 1947, a fortyeight-hour pass meant not the fleshpots of
Tokyo but a week-end in a village inn; and the trip into the countryside,
often repeated, soon became a trip into the feudal past. The inn was the
Minaguchi-ya, in the village of Okitsu, on the Tokaido highway linking the
old Imperial capital of Kyoto with Edo, the Shogunate site of modern Tokyo.

In electing to write a history of the Minaguchi-ya Mr. Statler could
scarcely avoid anthologising most of the more colourful episodes and
characters in the Japanese calendar. There is no denying the fascination of
this material, which will be familiar only to students of things Japanese.
It is all written up with a vividness that captures what is bloody minded as
well as what is charming in this culture of ascetic aestheticism.

Many generations of the Mochizuki family played host here to such eccentrics
as Ieyasu Tokugawa, Will Adams, the Zen poet Basho, Dr. Kaempfer, and
Hiroshige, whose views of the Tokaido liberally illustrate these pages. More
tenuously linked to the fortunes of the inn are the many period politicos
and the European bagmen and missionaries, with their serio-comical
squabbles. The inn was awash with blood during the police terror of 1651. In
1705 the teenagers were on the march; a compulsive crusade of three and a
half millions passed by en route to Ise. Of such little-known incidents is
this entertaining and unusual volume composed. It is decorated with the
satirical brush sketches of Jichosai, an agreeably astringent foil to the
woodcuts of Hiroshige, Hokusai, Kuniyoshi and Moronobu.

HUGH GORDON PORTEUS



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> Can anybody who somewhat knows the subject, tell me if this book can be
> taken at face value, or is it just another misguided attempt at
> understanding Eastern culture and history by a citizen of the West?
>
> Paul Wittine
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#826 [2002-05-02 22:31:11]

Re: Japanese Inn by Statler Oliver (Slightly OT?)

by kitsuno

Looks like the 'reprint' is university of hawaii press... never
mind. :(

--- In samuraihistory@y..., "kitsuno" wrote:
> I've never seen it, but it is from the university of Hawaii press
> which has a respectable asian studies / Japanese program and in the
> past has always seemed to put out quality books...

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#828 [2002-05-03 09:12:44]

Re: [samuraihistory] Japanese Inn by Statler Oliver (Slightly OT?)

by William Letham

I have read the book and like the other reply found the book good "faction"
of Japanese history: maybe not a scholarly work but a definite
recommendation for anyone interested in Japanese History. It has also been
in the bibliographies of more serious works. (I'm surprised Kitsuno dono
never heard of it) He also wrote a very readable work about Townsend Harris
called 'Shimoda Story'. From what I've read Statler can be considered
amateur expert on Japan. He came here
with the occupation and spent many years here afterwards, a lot more time
then 'those' with phds.
----- Original Message -----
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To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 5:18 AM
Subject: [samuraihistory] Japanese Inn by Statler Oliver (Slightly OT?)


> Can anybody who somewhat knows the subject, tell me if this book can be
> taken at face value, or is it just another misguided attempt at
> understanding Eastern culture and history by a citizen of the West?
>
> Paul Wittine
>
>
>
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#831 [2002-05-03 08:36:41]

Re: [samuraihistory] A Period in Japanese History

by ryer71

Mr. Johnson,

I thank you very much for your time and recommendation
in this matter. My problem is determining what time period
to write the story in. Should I tell the story after the
Samurai were "decommisioned?" Before? Their hardships and
challenges in doing right or wrong? Their dishonorable
temptations? Of a sub plot to overthrow Ieyasu and restore
the previous shogunate? Those are my dilemas.

Melvin

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#832 [2002-05-03 07:26:50]

Re: [samuraihistory] A Period in Japanese History

by ryer71

Tony,

Gee, thanx. Maybe I should give up?

Juan

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#834 [2002-05-03 21:40:06]

RE: [samuraihistory] A Period in Japanese History

by Diego Fernández

So can u help me to where i can foun information about the Boshin Wars in the end of the Tokugawa Era?
See u soon Diego...

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#839 [2002-05-04 14:34:48]

Re: [samuraihistory] A Period in Japanese History

by sengokudaimyo

Juan Rodriguez wrote:

> Tony,
>
> Gee, thanx. Maybe I should give up?

Until you know the story you want to tell, yes, I'd say that.


Tony

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