Miyomoto Musashi

Who here thinks Musashi was a great samurai or just another killer who
used dirty terks.

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used dirty terks.

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Well I saw a mini-series on him I think he was a great man. All samurai had to be killers that was their job. No such thing as a dirty trick in a fight.

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whats a dirty TERK

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Did anyone catch the ninja program on the history channel?? They had Stephen Hayes on.. *excited squeal* hes my favourite!!! *gag* just kidding.. seriously.. anyone see it?? I think I grew an inch or two from all the crap that was being spewed forth..

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Quoting Ijin Mibu <ijinmibu@...>:

> Who here thinks Musashi was a great samurai or just another killer who
> used dirty terks.
>

H was a great Samurai( well in my opinion at least).-Martin Jr.

HI

If its an old show then I have seen it and its crap.

Some members of the list know I belong to the Bujinkan
and Hayes is an ex-member also.

His organisation is such a wonderful group of people
that I had to issue an harrassment warning to the UK
rep for his behaviour the other week towards me.

He seems to have taken offense to me stating
publically on Budo forums that Hayes is not permitted
and is accepting cash fraudulently by issuing Bojustu
licenses with the school name Kukishinden Ryu on them.


Even the Bujinkan Japanese shihan with Menkyo Kaiden
are not permitted to do that so why he feels the need
to do it I cant see why, maybe money but i am only
speculating there.

I wouldnt believe much Hayes says

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my kid saw some of it, and asked me are there any
rumors of any practicing ninjas to this day, i have
heard that in japan there are some ancestors
practicing(training) samurai...mike

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i think he was a GREAT SAMURAI, as am i. lol

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> used dirty terks.
>

H was a great Samurai( well in my opinion at least).-Martin Jr.





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Musashi is not just a great samurai, he is an artist of sword art, the sword saint. Really a great Kensai that ever live...


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> Musashi is not just a great samurai, he is an artist
> of sword art, the sword saint. Really a great Kensai
> that ever live...

...and he healed the sick, walked on the sea, turned
water into shochu, talked to the animals, discovered
the cure for shingles, and played the tuba.

However, he still never fought on the winning side in
a battle, nor did he ever lead troops in combat. But
let's not let that take away from our utterly
incomprehensible worship of him...

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> Musashi is not just a great samurai, he is an artist
> of sword art, the sword saint. Really a great Kensai
> that ever live...

...and he healed the sick, walked on the sea, turned
water into shochu, talked to the animals, discovered
the cure for shingles, and played the tuba.

However, he still never fought on the winning side in
a battle, nor did he ever lead troops in combat. But
let's not let that take away from our utterly
incomprehensible worship of him...

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Wow so the tuba was around back then

lol

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> Wow so the tuba was around back then
>
> lol

Well, Musashi invented it. Along with X-rays and the
Segway. And sushi.

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You dont have to be a all time winner to be a winner or be great. Even if he didint lead troups or on the wiinning side whats does that have to do with being great. He is still poster man for great swordsman ship. GOD BLESS

ter <ltdomer98@...> wrote:

--- Angel Joanes <angeljoanes@...> wrote:

> Musashi is not just a great samurai, he is an artist
> of sword art, the sword saint. Really a great Kensai
> that ever live...

...and he healed the sick, walked on the sea, turned
water into shochu, talked to the animals, discovered
the cure for shingles, and played the tuba.

However, he still never fought on the winning side in
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> You dont have to be a all time winner to be a winner
> or be great. Even if he didint lead troups or on the
> wiinning side whats does that have to do with being
> great. He is still poster man for great swordsman
> ship. GOD BLESS

"He is still poster man for great swordsman ship."

EXACTLY. Swordsmanship. A great DUELIST. A pretty good
artist. Wrote a philosophically interesting book on
swordsmanship. If that's your idea of "O.M.G.
Greatest. Samurai. Ever!!!!!!!!!!!" then more power to
you. It's not mine. Is Musashi worthy of study?
Assuredly. Is he worthy of the fanboy hero-worship and
Greatest Samurai Ever OMG status? No. Try looking up
Tsukahara Bokuden or Kamiizumi Nobutsuna.

I've got no problem with respect and study of Musashi.
I've got a problem with people who get their image of
him from video games and movies and TV shows.
















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Hmmm to many hero worship musashi, he is almost robin hood like in the stories that surrond him. No doubt he was a great swordsman,writer, artist, gardner etc etc.

yet when you take it all in context what was his overall impact on the times, no doubt he was well respected but his life must have been a somewhat empty one, there have been many equally skilled swordmen and to be honest far greater samurai who's impact was far greater in a historical context, if musashi had'nt wrote his teachings down , would he be as revered as he is today, and as mentioned before look at how he is used in video games, comics etc and is given a pop icon status, this only gives him a mythic like status that simply was'nt true.

Personally I find the the campaigns of someone like Kato Kiyomasa or others far more important and equally heroic then that of musashi, whos hermit like lifestyle I find somewhat tragic.



















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--- james wilson <johntwo8@...> wrote:

> You dont have to be a all time winner to be a winner
> or be great. Even if he didint lead troups or on the
> wiinning side whats does that have to do with being
> great. He is still poster man for great swordsman
> ship. GOD BLESS

"He is still poster man for great swordsman ship."

EXACTLY. Swordsmanship. A great DUELIST. A pretty good
artist. Wrote a philosophically interesting book on
swordsmanship. If that's your idea of "O.M.G.
Greatest. Samurai. Ever!!!!!!!!!!!" then more power to
you. It's not mine. Is Musashi worthy of study?
Assuredly. Is he worthy of the fanboy hero-worship and
Greatest Samurai Ever OMG status? No. Try looking up
Tsukahara Bokuden or Kamiizumi Nobutsuna.

I've got no problem with respect and study of Musashi.
I've got a problem with people who get their image of
him from video games and movies and TV shows.
















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I'm trying to look for pictures on the web of samurai & ninja... So far i did not find anything good, all the ones I've seen on the web are crapy. Can anyone pipoint me to were i can find some good pictures???

Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...> wrote:

--- james wilson <johntwo8@...> wrote:

> You dont have to be a all time winner to be a winner
> or be great. Even if he didint lead troups or on the
> wiinning side whats does that have to do with being
> great. He is still poster man for great swordsman
> ship. GOD BLESS

"He is still poster man for great swordsman ship."

EXACTLY. Swordsmanship. A great DUELIST. A pretty good
artist. Wrote a philosophically interesting book on
swordsmanship. If that's your idea of "O.M.G.
Greatest. Samurai. Ever!!!!!!!!!!!" then more power to
you. It's not mine. Is Musashi worthy of study?
Assuredly. Is he worthy of the fanboy hero-worship and
Greatest Samurai Ever OMG status? No. Try looking up
Tsukahara Bokuden or Kamiizumi Nobutsuna.

I've got no problem with respect and study of Musashi.
I've got a problem with people who get their image of
him from video games and movies and TV shows.
















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> I'm trying to look for pictures on the web of samurai & ninja... So

far i did not find anything good, all the ones I've seen on the web
are crapy. Can anyone pipoint me to were i can find some good
pictures???

>
>

You can find a couple pics on these pages, but they are super cool:

Samurai:
http://www.samurai-archives.com/ultmods.html

Ninja:
http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm

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Like yeah, I like have this totaly cool idea. How about like
throwing "samurai" into google or something. That would like be ummm
pretty cool and stuff.

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:15:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...>
Subject: Re: Miyomoto Musashi



--- james wilson <johntwo8@...> wrote:

> You dont have to be a all time winner to be a winner
> or be great. Even if he didint lead troups or on the
> wiinning side whats does that have to do with being
> great. He is still poster man for great swordsman
> ship. GOD BLESS

"He is still poster man for great swordsman ship."

EXACTLY. Swordsmanship. A great DUELIST. A pretty good
artist. Wrote a philosophically interesting book on
swordsmanship. If that's your idea of "O.M.G.
Greatest. Samurai. Ever!!!!!!!!!!!" then more power to
you. It's not mine. Is Musashi worthy of study?
Assuredly. Is he worthy of the fanboy hero-worship and
Greatest Samurai Ever OMG status? No. Try looking up
Tsukahara Bokuden or Kamiizumi Nobutsuna.

I've got no problem with respect and study of Musashi.
I've got a problem with people who get their image of
him from video games and movies and TV shows.


--> Tsukahara Bokuden
Coincidence, I was only reading about him this morning in Samurai Sourcebook by Turnbull and was thinking exactly the same thing as Nate with reference to the swordsmanship and ability to fight in a battle, 19 single combats if I recall...

Must now do a little more reading on him if I can find some information.


Kind regards

Rob

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Hmmm to many hero worship musashi, he is almost robin hood like in the stories that surrond him. No doubt he was a great swordsman,writer, artist, gardner etc etc.

yet when you take it all in context what was his overall impact on the times, no doubt he was well respected but his life must have been a somewhat empty one, there have been many equally skilled swordmen and to be honest far greater samurai who's impact was far greater in a historical context, if musashi had'nt wrote his teachings down , would he be as revered as he is today, and as mentioned before look at how he is used in video games, comics etc and is given a pop icon status, this only gives him a mythic like status that simply was'nt true.

Personally I find the the campaigns of someone like Kato Kiyomasa or others far more important and equally heroic then that of musashi, whos hermit like lifestyle I find somewhat tragic.



















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> --- Angel Joanes wrote:
>
> > Musashi is not just a great samurai, he is an artist
> > of sword art, the sword saint. Really a great Kensai
> > that ever live...
>
> ...and he healed the sick, walked on the sea, turned
> water into shochu, talked to the animals, discovered
> the cure for shingles, and played the tuba.
>
> However, he still never fought on the winning side in
> a battle, nor did he ever lead troops in combat. But
> let's not let that take away from our utterly
> incomprehensible worship of him...
>

Even if we strip away most of the fantasy tales that where weaved
around him, and believe me those are countless, he remains a
remarcable man.

About every movie or book thats has come out is based for much on
fiction, even Yoshikawa's thick book (the Japanese version is a few
thousand pages thicker then that we got). Its a bit of a King Arthur
myth that rolled on and got bigger in time.

But the man has excisted, clan records mention him, works of his art
are still on display today. And most people cant deny that he was one
of the greatest warriors alive, he was not just skilled with weapons,
he also understood how to manipulate his enemies psyche to his
advantage. His skills in woodcarfing and inkt painting where very good.
He was an exceptional warrior, in many ways, and although he did not
seek it, and only served a few years under a Lord, i think he is one
of the few who could claim the title of best samurai.

He has my vote *grins*


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