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#7496 [2005-08-18 12:18:44]

Directions in Feudal japan

by keiman0

What four animals were used in Feudal japan to represent the four
directions of the compass? Was Ox North? Thanks-K&K

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#7497 [2005-08-19 05:30:35]

Re: [samuraihistory] Directions in Feudal japan

by deanwayland

Greetings K&K,

>What four animals were used in Feudal japan to represent the four
>directions of the compass? Was Ox North? Thanks-K&K

Sorry I got carried away with my answer, but hopefully you'll find it
all useful:

The same 12 animals as used in the zodiac and for marking the hours of
the day were used for directions as follows:

1st direction/hour Rat = nezumi = north = 23:00-01:00 (midnight @ 00:00)
2nd direction/hour = ox = ushi = 01:00-03:00
ox/tiger = ushi tora = north east = 03:00
3rd hour = tiger = tora = 03:00-05:00
4th hour = rabbit = usagi = east = 05:00-07:00 (sunrise @ 06:00)
5th hour = dragon = tatsu = 07:00-09:00
dragon/snake = tatsu hebi = south east 09:00
6th hour = snake = hebi = 09:00-11:00
7th hour = horse = uma = south = 11:00-13:00 (midday = 12:00)
8th hour = sheep (not goat) = hitsuji = 13:00-15:00
sheep/monkey = hitsuji saru = south west 15:00
9th hour = monkey = saru = 15:00-17:00
10th hour = garden bird (rooster) = niwa tori (sometimes just "tori") =
west = 17:00-19:00 (sunset @ 18:00)
11th hour = dog = inu = 19:00-21:00
dog/boar = inu inoshishi = north west 21:00
12th hour = boar = inoshishi = 21:00-2300

Okay when folks say "at the hour of the X", what they mean is the mid-
point of that time slot. So the hour of the rat is in fact midnight. But
you also get "early" and "late" rat. Its important to note that the
times specified above only apply at the spring and summer equinoxes, as
the day and the night were divided in to 6 equal "hours". Which means
that at mid-summer the daylight hours were twice as long as the nightime
ones! Actually the easier way to grasp this system, is to forget the
numbers above and simply go outside and look up at the daytime sky. Then
divide the path of the sun's travel across it from sunrise to sunset as
though it were super-imposed upon the top half of an old style clock
face. Sunrise as the middle of the hour of the rabbit, midday is the
middle of the hour of the horse, and sunset is the middle of the hour of
the bird. The others just slot in between (one and two thirds up the
curve of the sky). The hour of the rabbit actually starts with the first
light of the day (morning twilight) and the hour of the bird ends with
the last light of the day (evening twilight).

Again I hope all this stuff helps

Yours

Dean
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#7502 [2005-08-20 08:43:27]

Re: Directions in Feudal japan

by maikeru_art

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Dean Wayland wrote:
> Greetings K&K,
>
> >What four animals were used in Feudal japan to represent the four
> >directions of the compass? Was Ox North? Thanks-K&K
>
> Sorry I got carried away with my answer, but hopefully you'll find
it
> all useful:
>
> The same 12 animals as used in the zodiac and for marking the hours
of
> the day were used for directions as follows:
>
> 1st direction/hour Rat = nezumi = north = 23:00-01:00 (midnight @
00:00)
> 2nd direction/hour = ox = ushi = 01:00-03:00
> ox/tiger = ushi tora = north east = 03:00
> 3rd hour = tiger = tora = 03:00-05:00
> 4th hour = rabbit = usagi = east = 05:00-07:00 (sunrise @ 06:00)
> 5th hour = dragon = tatsu = 07:00-09:00
> dragon/snake = tatsu hebi = south east 09:00
> 6th hour = snake = hebi = 09:00-11:00
> 7th hour = horse = uma = south = 11:00-13:00 (midday = 12:00)
> 8th hour = sheep (not goat) = hitsuji = 13:00-15:00
> sheep/monkey = hitsuji saru = south west 15:00
> 9th hour = monkey = saru = 15:00-17:00
> 10th hour = garden bird (rooster) = niwa tori (sometimes
just "tori") =
> west = 17:00-19:00 (sunset @ 18:00)
> 11th hour = dog = inu = 19:00-21:00
> dog/boar = inu inoshishi = north west 21:00
> 12th hour = boar = inoshishi = 21:00-2300
>
> Okay when folks say "at the hour of the X", what they mean is the
mid-
> point of that time slot. So the hour of the rat is in fact
midnight. But
> you also get "early" and "late" rat. Its important to note that the
> times specified above only apply at the spring and summer
equinoxes, as
> the day and the night were divided in to 6 equal "hours". Which
means
> that at mid-summer the daylight hours were twice as long as the
nightime
> ones! Actually the easier way to grasp this system, is to forget the
> numbers above and simply go outside and look up at the daytime sky.
Then
> divide the path of the sun's travel across it from sunrise to
sunset as
> though it were super-imposed upon the top half of an old style clock
> face. Sunrise as the middle of the hour of the rabbit, midday is the
> middle of the hour of the horse, and sunset is the middle of the
hour of
> the bird. The others just slot in between (one and two thirds up the
> curve of the sky). The hour of the rabbit actually starts with the
first
> light of the day (morning twilight) and the hour of the bird ends
with
> the last light of the day (evening twilight).
>
> Again I hope all this stuff helps
>
> Yours
>
> Dean
> ***
>
> Dean Wayland
> Head Of The Fight School
> http://www.thefightschool.demon.co.uk


I forget but I belive each Animal was split into a younger and older
section to make it 24 total hours. I will have to look it up again.

Maikeru

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#7503 [2005-08-20 00:10:49]

Re: [samuraihistory] Directions in Feudal japan

by Samurai1948@aol.com

Thank you very much Dean, I saw this information years ago and did not write
it down. Even though I am not the one asking for the information. Thanks
again.


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#7504 [2005-08-21 03:37:16]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Directions in Feudal japan

by deanwayland

Hi Maikeru,

I wrote:
>> Okay when folks say "at the hour of the X", what they mean is the
>mid-
>> point of that time slot. So the hour of the rat is in fact
>midnight. But
>> you also get "early" and "late" rat.

You wrote:
>I forget but I belive each Animal was split into a younger and older
>section to make it 24 total hours. I will have to look it up again.
>
>Maikeru

If the right term is "younger" or "older", as opposed to "early" or
"late", I'd really like to know, so let me know once you've had a chance
to check it out.

Yours

Dean
***
Dean Wayland
Head Of The Fight School
http://www.thefightschool.demon.co.uk

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#7505 [2005-08-21 03:41:42]

Re: [samuraihistory] Directions in Feudal japan

by deanwayland

Hi Samurai 1948,

In message <12e.646881a4.30383179@...>, Samurai1948@... writes
>Thank you very much Dean, I saw this information years ago and did not write
>it down. Even though I am not the one asking for the information. Thanks
>again.

You are welcome. It's nice to know when stuff you do, hasn't just
wandered off in to a black hole!

Yours

Dean
***
Dean Wayland
Head Of The Fight School
http://www.thefightschool.demon.co.uk

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#7520 [2005-08-30 05:11:00]

Gods and the spear

by umaryu

Hi All

I need a little help if possible please

i was asked this question and i am unable to help sso
any help would be appreciated thanks.

the question is.........

In Japanese mythology a god is mentioned called ama no
nuboko he gave a spear to another god in one of the
myths the early name for a spear is boko do you know
if this is related to the god?

cheers

paul



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#7524 [2005-08-30 11:10:30]

Re: [samuraihistory] Gods and the spear

by kentguy212002

maybe this may help

http://www.crystalinks.com/japancreation.html


--- Paul Richardson <umaryu@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
Hi All

I need a little help if possible please

i was asked this question and i am unable to help sso
any help would be appreciated thanks.

the question is.........

In Japanese mythology a god is mentioned called ama no
nuboko he gave a spear to another god in one of the
myths thed early name for a spear is boko do you know
if this is related to the god?

cheers

paul



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#7528 [2005-08-31 02:09:25]

Re: [samuraihistory] Gods and the spear

by umaryu

Hi James

thats great thanks

paul


--- james wallis <kentguy212002@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
maybe this may help

http://www.crystalinks.com/japancreation.html


--- Paul Richardson <umaryu@...> wrote:


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Hi All

I need a little help if possible please

i was asked this question and i am unable to help sso
any help would be appreciated thanks.

the question is.........

In Japanese mythology a god is mentioned called ama no
nuboko he gave a spear to another god in one of the
myths thed early name for a spear is boko do you know
if this is related to the god?

cheers

paul



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