The Last Samurai, the movie.

I just got done finally watching the movie the "Last Samurai." I
found it so tediously dull it isn't funny; Tom Cruz cannot act and I
don't care who tries to convince me otherwise. The battle scenes were
great, the scenery was fairly good, but the movie was bad. My
question is a simple one, what, if any of it, was historically
accurate?
david a sigler

I think they did reasonably well on the colour of the grass and the blue of the sky.

Thomas

if you buy the movie book(or just go to your local book store and look at it), it will tell you what is accurate and what is not(to some extent). I have the DVD w/ the directors comentary and extra stuff on a 2nd cd, & it goes into some detail on the realness of the movie. They said that 1/2 is fake & 1/2 is not.I can't really tell which is which, but it was a great movie in my mind. I take kendo & are into samurai swords and armour, that's maybe why it was good to me? All in all, don't tell one of the samurai actors in the movie it was cheesy b/c they all knew what they were doing(all of them were trained to use swords ie...kendo,iaido.....)good stuff!!!
Yours,
Mark

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I just got done finally watching the movie the "Last Samurai." I
found it so tediously dull it isn't funny; Tom Cruz cannot act and I
don't care who tries to convince me otherwise. The battle scenes were
great, the scenery was fairly good, but the movie was bad. My
question is a simple one, what, if any of it, was historically
accurate?
david a sigler








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A RESPONSE; You forgot smell of the cherry blossoms and how pretty the girls are, but beyond that you are correct....david a sigler

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I think they did reasonably well on the colour of the grass and the blue of the sky.

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mark kd wrote:

> if you buy the movie book(or just go to your local book store and look at
> it), it will tell you what is accurate and what is not(to some extent). I
> have the DVD w/ the directors comentary and extra stuff on a 2nd cd, & it
> goes into some detail on the realness of the movie.

They have some nerve doing so.

> They said that 1/2 is
> fake & 1/2 is not.

They lie. There is so much that's wrong with it historically that I almost
cried. Yeah, the armour's pretty. Yeah, the battles are fancy. But historically
it was totally crapola.

Frankly, I'd think that Watanabe Ken and Sanada Hiroyuki ought to be
embarrassed. They've each made dozens of films -- some crappy, some really good
-- and the one they get international reputations for is this American "Dances
With Samurai" piece of steaming, fetid poop.

I finally caught it on HBO last night, after months and months of refusing to go
pay to see it, rent it, or buy it.

It made me sick.


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hello tony,
com'on man,...it was pretty good.?? I've seen a handful "samurai" movies in the past, (and yes, they might portray samurai a little better) but this is the 2000's, not the 1900's (lol). People like to see cool stuff like the Last Samurai even if it isn't all that accurate. You can't tell me you've seen any better Samurai "battle" scenes in another movies from the past?? (if so, please let me know so i can watch them). I think it was a great movie to boost the Samurai history for people of today. It taught a lot of people to respect them for who they were/are. I know my friends,(who hate history stuff & think i'm a dork for liking it) thought it was an awesome movie. They were like...."Wow, those guys could really kick butt" I don't know,....maybe i'm wrong??? All i know is that the movie gave me even more insentive to practice kendo and TRY to make my own samurai armour(still in the making,....delayed temp. b/c of my newborn 2 weeks old). Tony, just watch it again and tell me that
those battle scenes don't want to make you get up, build a time machine, go back to yrs.1300-1600, join a samurai clan(hopefully a good one), and fight in a huge battle!!!!!!!!!! Plus, Japanese back then were only like 4ft. tall so you already got a huge hieght advantage(lol). Well, my times up. Have a good one.
Yours,
Mark

Anthony Bryant <ajbryant@...> wrote:
mark kd wrote:

> if you buy the movie book(or just go to your local book store and look at
> it), it will tell you what is accurate and what is not(to some extent). I
> have the DVD w/ the directors comentary and extra stuff on a 2nd cd, & it
> goes into some detail on the realness of the movie.

They have some nerve doing so.

> They said that 1/2 is
> fake & 1/2 is not.

They lie. There is so much that's wrong with it historically that I almost
cried. Yeah, the armour's pretty. Yeah, the battles are fancy. But historically
it was totally crapola.

Frankly, I'd think that Watanabe Ken and Sanada Hiroyuki ought to be
embarrassed. They've each made dozens of films -- some crappy, some really good
-- and the one they get international reputations for is this American "Dances
With Samurai" piece of steaming, fetid poop.

I finally caught it on HBO last night, after months and months of refusing to go
pay to see it, rent it, or buy it.

It made me sick.


Tony
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I have hardly earned the right to address this forum. However, I would
like to point out a book entitled "The Last Samurai" by Professor Mark
Ravina(sp?). I believe that this book gives an albeit abbreviated
synopsis of the actual events.

Sincerely,
James Hisatake

On Dec 13, 2004, at 3:04 PM, mark kd wrote:

>
>
> if you buy the movie book(or just go to your local book store and look
> at it), it will tell you what is accurate and what is not(to some
> extent). I have the DVD w/ the directors comentary and extra stuff on
> a 2nd cd, & it goes into some detail on the realness of the movie.
> They said that 1/2 is fake & 1/2 is not.I can't really tell which is
> which, but it was a great movie in my mind. I take kendo & are into
> samurai swords and armour, that's maybe why it was good to me? All in
> all, don't tell one of the samurai actors in the movie it was cheesy
> b/c they all knew what they were doing(all of them were trained to use
> swords ie...kendo,iaido.....)good stuff!!!
> Yours,
> Mark
>
> "david a. sigler" <fiat_dux_das@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I just got done finally watching the movie the "Last Samurai." I
> found it so tediously dull it isn't funny; Tom Cruz cannot act and I
> don't care who tries to convince me otherwise. The battle scenes were
> great, the scenery was fairly good, but the movie was bad. My
> question is a simple one, what, if any of it, was historically
> accurate?
> david a sigler
>
>
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People like to see

> cool stuff like the Last Samurai even if it isn't
> all that accurate.

And hence we lament the degradation of society.

You can't tell me you've seen any

> better Samurai "battle" scenes in another movies
> from the past??

Why not? I've seen tons better. Shoot, even Kurosawa's
worst battle scenes (melodramatic Kagemusha, anyone?)
were better than that.

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Nate,
Give me some good movie titles please.
Thanks,
Mark

Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...> wrote:

--- mark kd <depos42300@...> wrote:

People like to see

> cool stuff like the Last Samurai even if it isn't
> all that accurate.

And hence we lament the degradation of society.

You can't tell me you've seen any

> better Samurai "battle" scenes in another movies
> from the past??

Why not? I've seen tons better. Shoot, even Kurosawa's
worst battle scenes (melodramatic Kagemusha, anyone?)
were better than that.

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I will start with the most recognizable good movie titles.

Seven Samurai
Throne of Blood
Kagemusha
Ran
Heaven and Earth

That is it for my limited knowledge.

Dan Cooper

mark kd wrote:

> Nate,
> Give me some good movie titles please.
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...> wrote:
>
> --- mark kd <depos42300@...> wrote:
>
> People like to see
> > cool stuff like the Last Samurai even if it isn't
> > all that accurate.
>
> And hence we lament the degradation of society.
>
> You can't tell me you've seen any
> > better Samurai "battle" scenes in another movies
> > from the past??
>
> Why not? I've seen tons better. Shoot, even Kurosawa's
> worst battle scenes (melodramatic Kagemusha, anyone?)
> were better than that.
>
> Nate
>
>

> mark kd wrote:
>
> > Nate,
> > Give me some good movie titles please.
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> >

I apologize for not getting back sooner. This thing
called "work"...

For BATTLES, since this is what you're looking for, I
take it:

Throne of Blood--decent "Storming the castle" scene. I
love when Mifune gets riddled with arrows at the end.

Ran--several great ones. Graphic, too.

Kagemusha: It's a bit contrived at the end with the
way the teppo look like machine guns, mowing down the
Takeda cavalry, but it's great all the way around.

That does it for Kurosawa. If I'm missing one, someone
will let me know.

Others:

Samurai Banners (Fuurinkazan): Great flick--Mifune as
Yamamoto Kansuke. Great battle scenes, including
Kawanakajima.

Heaven and Earth (I just hear Tony groan): If you
overlook the facemasks to hide the Canadian extras,
it's decent enough.

If you can get your hands on the "Aoi sandai" taiga
drama scenes of Sekigahara, it's the first one I think
that used computer animation to display a battle.
Nice.

These are just a few, that I know can be found in the
US.





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Problems with Last Samurai?

The military advisors to the Meiji Army were German, Navy? British.
Americans taught agriculture.

The samurai who fought against the government in the rebellions that
followed the restoration, were not from a single village, never controlled
territory or terrorized the Imperial Army as depicted, they fought with
modern weapons and they absolutely did not wear armour two hundred years
out
of date.

None of the rebellion leaders I know of spoke English.

White men weren't left alone with Japanese women of the time unless they
were "in the trade." A Japanese woman of the time would gouge your eyes out
if you killed her husband, not serve you rice in a soup bowl. Japanese
children wouldn't eat at the same table as "the man of the house" and the
woman probably wouldn't even eat in the house, more likely in the dirt
floored kitchen. The actress used would have been a giant in Meiji Japan,
she was far too tall and well fed to be a nineteenth century female.

No man, not even Tom Cruise, would be allowed in the presence of the
Emperor, unanounced and carrying a sword!

The true last charge on which the films finale was based amounted to six
men, their leaders seppuku was conducted with a sword so dull from use that
his neck looked like a stair-step.

White Tiger!?! Puh-Leaze!

-t

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> would gouge your eyes out
> if you killed her husband, not serve you rice in a
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A RESPONSE; So, basically your saying what I thought the entire time I was watching this movie, it's crap and tc acting is just as bad as usual; because it was. By the way, thanks for the short history lesson. david a sigler

"sanbruno@..." <junkmail@...> wrote:Problems with Last Samurai?

The military advisors to the Meiji Army were German, Navy? British.
Americans taught agriculture.

The samurai who fought against the government in the rebellions that
followed the restoration, were not from a single village, never controlled
territory or terrorized the Imperial Army as depicted, they fought with
modern weapons and they absolutely did not wear armour two hundred years
out
of date.

None of the rebellion leaders I know of spoke English.

White men weren't left alone with Japanese women of the time unless they
were "in the trade." A Japanese woman of the time would gouge your eyes out
if you killed her husband, not serve you rice in a soup bowl. Japanese
children wouldn't eat at the same table as "the man of the house" and the
woman probably wouldn't even eat in the house, more likely in the dirt
floored kitchen. The actress used would have been a giant in Meiji Japan,
she was far too tall and well fed to be a nineteenth century female.

No man, not even Tom Cruise, would be allowed in the presence of the
Emperor, unanounced and carrying a sword!

The true last charge on which the films finale was based amounted to six
men, their leaders seppuku was conducted with a sword so dull from use that
his neck looked like a stair-step.

White Tiger!?! Puh-Leaze!

-t

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All brain no heart.

Anthony Bryant <ajbryant@...> wrote:mark kd wrote:

> if you buy the movie book(or just go to your local book store and look at
> it), it will tell you what is accurate and what is not(to some extent). I
> have the DVD w/ the directors comentary and extra stuff on a 2nd cd, & it
> goes into some detail on the realness of the movie.

They have some nerve doing so.

> They said that 1/2 is
> fake & 1/2 is not.

They lie. There is so much that's wrong with it historically that I almost
cried. Yeah, the armour's pretty. Yeah, the battles are fancy. But historically
it was totally crapola.

Frankly, I'd think that Watanabe Ken and Sanada Hiroyuki ought to be
embarrassed. They've each made dozens of films -- some crappy, some really good
-- and the one they get international reputations for is this American "Dances
With Samurai" piece of steaming, fetid poop.

I finally caught it on HBO last night, after months and months of refusing to go
pay to see it, rent it, or buy it.

It made me sick.


Tony
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Chris Ketterling wrote:

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You are welcome to your opinion, regardless of how wrong or insulting it may be.

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