Home - Back

Article: Samurai cult or social evil in suicides

- [Previous Topic] [Next Topic]
#5808 [2004-10-25 14:41:34]

Article: Samurai cult or social evil in suicides

by kitsuno

Samurai cult or social evil in suicides

The 2003 movie "The Last Samurai" has left a deep impression of Japan
in the Western world. The namesake last samurai is not Nathan Algren,
played by Tom Cruise, but Katsumoto, played by the Japanese actor Ken
Watanabe. The last samurai is a perfect figure who makes the American
born again as a samurai. The climax of the movie is the samurai's
suicide. Killing himself with his own sword in the fluttering cherry
blossoms, Katsumoto's last word is "perfect." He was talking about
the beauty of the cherry blossom rain and the equally splendid ending
of a samurai's life.

The theme of "Chushingura," a classic Japanese revenge story, is "the
best of flowers is the cherry blossom and the best of men is a
samurai." Chushingura is based on a historical event about the
revenge of 47 samurai 300 years ago. A lord was wrongfully accused
and forced to commit seppuku, a form of suicide in which the victim
disembowels himself. As revenge for their master, 47 retainers bided
their time and attacked the foe on a snowy winter night. They offered
the head of the foe at the grave of their master and committed
seppuku together. The story of Chushingura is an eternal bestseller
in Japan, having been revisited by numerous novels, plays, movies and
television series.

The recent group suicide of nine Japanese shocked Westerners. Youths
met on the Internet and planned their deaths. Westerners argued that
the samurai tradition, death as honor, lived on because there was no
religion in Japan that respected the value of life.

According to World Health Organization statistics, the suicide rate
per 100,000 is 24.1 in Japan, compared to 10.4 in the United States
and 7.5 in Great Britain. Last year, 24 Koreans per 100,000 killed
themselves. When five youngsters met on the Internet and committed a
group suicide in March, suicide Web site became a social concern.
Last year, the suicide rate in the age group 61 and above grew
rapidly, largely because of financial difficulties, and made up 28
percent of the total suicides. In the last five years, there have
been 340 suicides in the military.

The high suicide rate is exceptional; Korea has no tradition of
idealizing death and religions that value life prevail. We cannot
rule out the suspicion that the suicides were "social homicides," a
last, belated call for help.

The writer is the JoongAng Ilbo's London correspondent.


by Oh Byung-sang <obsang@...>

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200410/15/20041015220713733990009080908
1.html

[Next #5809]

#5809 [2004-10-25 16:34:37]

Re: [samuraihistory] Article: Samurai cult or social evil in suicides

by elizabethchase1

Kitsuno-dono,

I found the article very interesting, and posed the question to one of the Japanese doctors at the hospital where I am a nurse.

He told me that while the Samurai 'code' was based on honor, and selflessness for one's liege, one must recall that it was also a
system deliberately set up by the Tokugawan Shoguns for purposes of control. This information is also on the 'newcomers must read'
list.

This honor was ultimately, oh, what's the word.... starts with a 'p', I think..... distorted anyway, the concept of 'shame'
gradually became the over-riding concept. Japan was also badly humiliated in WW2. Since that time, he said, the drive to achieve,
to excel, to be the best has become almost psychotic.. There is so much competition for places in schools, then in jobs, that a
single failing mark can spell a lifetime at a lower economic level. There is so much stress, and emphasis on the shame of defeat,
that these children are taught that it is weak to admit any sort of frailty, of fear, of differing opinion.

One can see traces of this pressure in our own society, and indeed, the world. We are ever pushed, and push each other, to
accomplish more, earn more, drive faster, kill each other more efficiently...... the list just goes on and on and on.....
---------------------------------------

I realized 'The Last Samurai' was not about Algren, that he was merely a story vehicle. Many historians, aficionados, re-enactors
and others were outraged at the lack of authenticity. But, the director and producer made no such claim to authenticity.

'To know life in every breath' is not the mindset of a person who seeks death. It is the mindset of a person who knows that death
may take him at any time, and sees the world with a clarity of mind heightened and appreciative of the Present.

This phenomenal state of mind is experienced to some degree by every person who has had a life-threatening experience. It is
experienced more acutely by those who experience combat, police, fire, and rescue personnel, indeed anyone who consciously chooses
this way of life has contemplated the potential consequences. It is also why some people become adrenaline junkies, because it is a
very real high..... an organic high, produced by ones own hormones.

I might start a flame here, but it is my niggling thought once in awhile, that even our revered Miyamoto Musashi was perhaps not a
very stable person, formidable though he was, even without a weapon in hand. Even if he was rock solid psychologically, perhaps his
communication skills were wanting. Perhaps, as in many languages, errors in translations of his works and intent have occurred.

I think, or at least I choose to think, he was trying to say that if we live in the Present, and choose our actions according to our
honor, that path may lead to death: so be it, if that is our destiny. But, in pursuit of our path, we must also notice, appreciate,
and revere that which around us is Life. It is so tentative, that to lose a moment of it is wasteful. One cannot Live if one is
already Dead; one cannot know Death without having Lived. I definitely don't think his was a shame-based way of life.

The fictional Katsumoto died with his honor intact for he would not compromise his principles, nor allow the possibility of the
smarmy Omura to take him prisoner for further humiliation.

This is, to me, a distinct difference from the seppuku of shame, of despair, or correct me if I use the wrong work, the sempuku of
revenge. Way different mindset. The contrast is stark.

____________________________

Okey-dokey, fire at will ----- launch arrows---- sharpen your swords ---- but I want to say that I mean no disrespect, that I choose
to view the 'code' as a positive path of honor and it has served me well. I wanted to present perhaps another point of view.

Rizii





----- Original Message -----
From: Kitsuno
Subject: [samuraihistory] Article: Samurai cult or social evil in suicides


The 2003 movie "The Last Samurai" has left a deep impression of Japan
in the Western world. The namesake last samurai is not Nathan Algren,
played by Tom Cruise, but Katsumoto, played by the Japanese actor Ken
Watanabe. The last samurai is a perfect figure who makes the American
born again as a samurai. The climax of the movie is the samurai's
suicide. Killing himself with his own sword in the fluttering cherry
blossoms, Katsumoto's last word is "perfect." He was talking about
the beauty of the cherry blossom rain and the equally splendid ending
of a samurai's life.



We cannot
rule out the suspicion that the suicides were "social homicides," a
last, belated call for help.

The writer is the JoongAng Ilbo's London correspondent.


by Oh Byung-sang

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200410/15/20041015220713733990009080908
1.html






---
Samurai Archives: http://www.samurai-archives.com
Samurai Archives store: http://www.cafeshops.com/samuraiarchives
---



Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
ADVERTISEMENT





--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links

a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/samuraihistory/

b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
samuraihistory-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.




---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 10/22/2004


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Previous #5808] [Next #5810]

#5810 [2004-10-26 03:05:03]

Re: [samuraihistory] Article: Samurai cult or social evil in suicides

by thomas_tessera

"The 2003 movie "The Last Samurai" has left a deep impression of Japan
in the Western world."

Are we sure?

In the UK, at least, 'Last Samurai' was a minor Tom Cruise vehicle which fits nicely
into the formulaic Tom Cruise ethos - but I really don't think it had anything like the
impact of 'Shogun' when that was shown on TV a millenia ago.

From another viewpoint - Master and Commander - which is a fantastic film (and is
on my DV player as often as a Kurosawa) ran longer locally - but has done little to
alter the British mindset about the Napoleonic-era navy - something which is much
closer to their 'experience'.

Sorry - just an opinion.

Thomas

--

Whatever you Wanadoo:
http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/

This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

[Previous #5809] [Next #5811]

#5811 [2004-10-26 07:48:24]

RE: [samuraihistory] Article: Samurai cult or social evil in suicides

by blaen_495

From reading the post by Kitsuno, I might get the impression that “Last
Samurai” made a deep impression among Japanese youth, but I don’t see any
evidence presented for an impression left on Westerners by “Last Samurai”.
The responses to the group suicide seem nothing more than the same clichéd
responces to Japanese suicide that Westerners have been giving for
centuries.



Shogun definitely left a bigger impression on me.

Cheers,



--dave





_____

From: " <tom.davidson@...> [mailto:tom.davidson@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:05 AM
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Article: Samurai cult or social evil in
suicides



"The 2003 movie "The Last Samurai" has left a deep impression of Japan
in the Western world."

Are we sure?

In the UK, at least, 'Last Samurai' was a minor Tom Cruise vehicle which
fits nicely
into the formulaic Tom Cruise ethos - but I really don't think it had
anything like the
impact of 'Shogun' when that was shown on TV a millenia ago.

From another viewpoint - Master and Commander - which is a fantastic film
(and is
on my DV player as often as a Kurosawa) ran longer locally - but has done
little to
alter the British mindset about the Napoleonic-era navy - something which is
much
closer to their 'experience'.

Sorry - just an opinion.

Thomas

--

Whatever you Wanadoo:
http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/

This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at:
http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm


---
Samurai Archives: http://www.samurai-archives.com
Samurai Archives store: http://www.cafeshops.com/samuraiarchives
---






Yahoo! Groups Sponsor



ADVERTISEMENT

<http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129b5r46p/M=315388.5526708.6599542.3001176/D=gr
oups/S=1705043713:HM/EXP=1098871507/A=2372354/R=0/SIG=12id813k2/*https:/www.
orchardbank.com/hcs/hcsapplication?pf=PLApply&media=EMYHNL40F21004SS> click
here



<http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=315388.5526708.6599542.3001176/D=groups/S=
:HM/A=2372354/rand=842058119>



_____

Yahoo! Groups Links

* To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/samuraihistory/

* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
samuraihistory-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
samuraihistory-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>

* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo!
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Previous #5810] [Next #5814]

#5814 [2004-10-26 16:02:59]

RE: [samuraihistory] Article: Samurai cult or social evil in suicides

by ltdomer98

--- David & Robin <gpfarm@...> wrote:

> From reading the post by Kitsuno, I might get the
> impression that �Last
> Samurai�Emade a deep impression among Japanese
> youth,

Um, it didn't. The impression it made was "hey, cool,
Tom Cruise made a movie about Japan, and Ken Watanabe
got nominated for an Oscar...yay, Japan is in the
news!" No one is going off to seek their samurai roots
in the hills of Satsuma because of it.

The article is full of it.

but I don�t see any
> evidence presented for an impression left on
> Westerners by �Last Samurai�E
> The responses to the group suicide seem nothing more
> than the same clich�d
> responces to Japanese suicide that Westerners have
> been giving for
> centuries.

I highly doubt the group suicide had anything to do
with a Western movie set in Japan. To suggest
otherwise is hogwash.



__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

[Previous #5811]


Made with