Trip to Sengoku Japan?

I'm about to start planning (again) a 3-week trip to Japan.

I'm interested primarily in Tokugawa Ieyasu (pre-Edo), and Mikawa (as was)
in general - say between Sumpu and Gifu (sorry for the old names). It's more
'look n feel' than anything else, although I'm quite aware that Japan has
changed and looking for Sengoku Mikawa might be like looking for
Shakespeare's London ... gone a long time ago.

All this is aid of atmosphere for my Sengoku blockbuster, so a view, or a
stretch of the Tokaido as was, or anything that might say 'this is what it was
like' is the main intent.

Having said that, festivals are OK, demonstrations are better - iaido/jutsu the
best.

So any ideas for packing a lifetime's experience in one trip?

And what time of year is best?

Thomas

If you're interested in Tokugawa Ieyasu, a trip to Nikko would be well worth your time (I only hope the weather is better than I was there- torrential rainstorms are not uncommon there). Only two hours by train from Tokyo, it houses Ieyasu's mausoleum, located in the forest above the very impressive Toshogu Shrine(which also houses a Kendo dojo where you can view training).
If in Tokyo, a trip to Kamakura is a must. Despite the electricity and telephone cables that dog any modern Japanese townscape, Kamakura can be a treat with its temples and shrines, at one which (the Engakuji) you can often see practitioners of Kyudo at work.
Then if you're going to Kyoto you could stop at Hamamatsu and see the site of Ieyasu's Shussejyo (although it is again a post-War reproduction. Hamamatsu is more of interest if you like Japanese motorbikes though I found.
Have a good time.

Thomas Davidson <tom.davidson@...> wrote:
I'm about to start planning (again) a 3-week trip to Japan.

I'm interested primarily in Tokugawa Ieyasu (pre-Edo), and Mikawa (as was)
in general - say between Sumpu and Gifu (sorry for the old names). It's more
'look n feel' than anything else, although I'm quite aware that Japan has
changed and looking for Sengoku Mikawa might be like looking for
Shakespeare's London ... gone a long time ago.

All this is aid of atmosphere for my Sengoku blockbuster, so a view, or a
stretch of the Tokaido as was, or anything that might say 'this is what it was
like' is the main intent.

Having said that, festivals are OK, demonstrations are better - iaido/jutsu the
best.

So any ideas for packing a lifetime's experience in one trip?

And what time of year is best?

Thomas



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--- Thomas Davidson <tom.davidson@...> wrote:

> I'm about to start planning (again) a 3-week trip to
> Japan.
>
> I'm interested primarily in Tokugawa Ieyasu
> (pre-Edo), and Mikawa (as was)
> in general - say between Sumpu and Gifu (sorry for
> the old names).

A couple of castles for you in the area:

Inuyama-jo: BEST CASTLE IN JAPAN. Himeji is beautiful,
but post-1600. If you go to Inuyama, you actually feel
like you're in the middle of the Sengoku. It's
original, not rebuilt, and if you go on a cloudy day
it's like being in the middle of Kurosawa's "Throne of
Blood". Aichi-ken, Inuyama-shi

Okazaki-jo: birthplace of Ieyasu, neat little castle,
beautiful in cherry blossom season.

Kiyosu-jo: Small little reconstruction in North
Nagoya, nice little display of Nobunaga's stuff.

Gifu-jo: Way up on a mountain top, a heck of a climb,
but another great castle to check out to get a feel
for "real" Sengoku ambiance.

For your reference, Owari is western Aichi prefecture
(Nagoya), Mikawa is the current eastern half of Aichi
prefecture.

Let me know more where you'll be, and I can provide
you some more suggestions.


It's more

> 'look n feel' than anything else, although I'm quite
> aware that Japan has
> changed and looking for Sengoku Mikawa might be like
> looking for
> Shakespeare's London ... gone a long time ago.
>
> All this is aid of atmosphere for my Sengoku
> blockbuster, so a view, or a
> stretch of the Tokaido as was, or anything that
> might say 'this is what it was
> like' is the main intent.
>
> Having said that, festivals are OK, demonstrations
> are better - iaido/jutsu the
> best.
>
> So any ideas for packing a lifetime's experience in
> one trip?
>
> And what time of year is best?
>
> Thomas
>
>

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On Sep 23, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Thomas Davidson wrote:

> I'm about to start planning (again) a 3-week trip to Japan.
>
>

If it's the Tokugawa you are interested in, go to Sunpu and the
original Toshogu, you'll see the place and manner that Ieyasu desired
to be buried. Go to Nikko as well but keep in mind that is where his
sons moved him so that he could be more easily venerated just a short
ride from Edo. The Sunpu Toshogu has a must see museum that houses many
of the treasures of the Tokugawa house. It is expensive but I recommend
the catalog of the Toshogu's Armour collection.
You can visit the remains of Sunpu castle where I believe you can now
see a scale mock up of the castle and town in Ieyasu's time in an
outdoor park within the old castle walls. Also you'll find the
retirement mansion of Tokugawa Keiki, The last Shogun, who chose to
spend his last year's communing with the spirit of his great
ancestor...
-t

Mr. Michael,

A lifetime experience packed in one trip is visiting all the castles in Japan and other historical sites from the Sengoku period.Plus,nothing will be complete without a one day trip in a forest.To be alone with Mother Nature.

Edy

P.S.:That's my kind of a trip to another country.In my country,visiting all the monasteries and churches is wonderful(in the north of Romania,where our ancestors built wonderful monasteries.If someone from this group would like to visit ROmania,we've got lots of stuff here.Monasteries,tens of castles,beautiful paintings..........Go to the north especially.)






Michael Lorimer <mijalo_jp@...> wrote:If you're interested in Tokugawa Ieyasu, a trip to Nikko would be well worth your time (I only hope the weather is better than I was there- torrential rainstorms are not uncommon there). Only two hours by train from Tokyo, it houses Ieyasu's mausoleum, located in the forest above the very impressive Toshogu Shrine(which also houses a Kendo dojo where you can view training).
If in Tokyo, a trip to Kamakura is a must. Despite the electricity and telephone cables that dog any modern Japanese townscape, Kamakura can be a treat with its temples and shrines, at one which (the Engakuji) you can often see practitioners of Kyudo at work.
Then if you're going to Kyoto you could stop at Hamamatsu and see the site of Ieyasu's Shussejyo (although it is again a post-War reproduction. Hamamatsu is more of interest if you like Japanese motorbikes though I found.
Have a good time.

Thomas Davidson <tom.davidson@...> wrote:
I'm about to start planning (again) a 3-week trip to Japan.

I'm interested primarily in Tokugawa Ieyasu (pre-Edo), and Mikawa (as was)
in general - say between Sumpu and Gifu (sorry for the old names). It's more
'look n feel' than anything else, although I'm quite aware that Japan has
changed and looking for Sengoku Mikawa might be like looking for
Shakespeare's London ... gone a long time ago.

All this is aid of atmosphere for my Sengoku blockbuster, so a view, or a
stretch of the Tokaido as was, or anything that might say 'this is what it was
like' is the main intent.

Having said that, festivals are OK, demonstrations are better - iaido/jutsu the
best.

So any ideas for packing a lifetime's experience in one trip?

And what time of year is best?

Thomas



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Where's exactly Sunpu castle????I'm very curious!!!!!!:-)

Edy



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On Sep 23, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Thomas Davidson wrote:

> I'm about to start planning (again) a 3-week trip to Japan.
>
>
If it's the Tokugawa you are interested in, go to Sunpu and the
original Toshogu, you'll see the place and manner that Ieyasu desired
to be buried. Go to Nikko as well but keep in mind that is where his
sons moved him so that he could be more easily venerated just a short
ride from Edo. The Sunpu Toshogu has a must see museum that houses many
of the treasures of the Tokugawa house. It is expensive but I recommend
the catalog of the Toshogu's Armour collection.
You can visit the remains of Sunpu castle where I believe you can now
see a scale mock up of the castle and town in Ieyasu's time in an
outdoor park within the old castle walls. Also you'll find the
retirement mansion of Tokugawa Keiki, The last Shogun, who chose to
spend his last year's communing with the spirit of his great
ancestor...
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Inuyama-jo was Takeda's castle or am I mistaking????Not sure about that.Please tell me.

Edy

Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...> wrote:

--- Thomas Davidson <tom.davidson@...> wrote:

> I'm about to start planning (again) a 3-week trip to
> Japan.
>
> I'm interested primarily in Tokugawa Ieyasu
> (pre-Edo), and Mikawa (as was)
> in general - say between Sumpu and Gifu (sorry for
> the old names).

A couple of castles for you in the area:

Inuyama-jo: BEST CASTLE IN JAPAN. Himeji is beautiful,
but post-1600. If you go to Inuyama, you actually feel
like you're in the middle of the Sengoku. It's
original, not rebuilt, and if you go on a cloudy day
it's like being in the middle of Kurosawa's "Throne of
Blood". Aichi-ken, Inuyama-shi

Okazaki-jo: birthplace of Ieyasu, neat little castle,
beautiful in cherry blossom season.

Kiyosu-jo: Small little reconstruction in North
Nagoya, nice little display of Nobunaga's stuff.

Gifu-jo: Way up on a mountain top, a heck of a climb,
but another great castle to check out to get a feel
for "real" Sengoku ambiance.

For your reference, Owari is western Aichi prefecture
(Nagoya), Mikawa is the current eastern half of Aichi
prefecture.

Let me know more where you'll be, and I can provide
you some more suggestions.


It's more

> 'look n feel' than anything else, although I'm quite
> aware that Japan has
> changed and looking for Sengoku Mikawa might be like
> looking for
> Shakespeare's London ... gone a long time ago.
>
> All this is aid of atmosphere for my Sengoku
> blockbuster, so a view, or a
> stretch of the Tokaido as was, or anything that
> might say 'this is what it was
> like' is the main intent.
>
> Having said that, festivals are OK, demonstrations
> are better - iaido/jutsu the
> best.
>
> So any ideas for packing a lifetime's experience in
> one trip?
>
> And what time of year is best?
>
> Thomas
>
>

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http://www.jcastle.info/castle/sunpu.html

Check this out...
-t

On Sep 26, 2004, at 9:05 AM, Edward Alexander wrote:

> Where's exactly Sunpu castle????I'm very curious!!!!!!:-)
>
> Edy
>
>

--- Edward Alexander <edyhiphop@...> wrote:

> Inuyama-jo was Takeda's castle or am I
> mistaking????Not sure about that.Please tell me.

No, Inuyama-jo was not a Takeda castle. Being as it
was in Owari, it would be hard for them to have
controlled it. Inuyama belonged to quite a few people,
but for most of the later Sengoku it was controlled by
retainers of the Oda. I believe after Nobunaga's death
it was the home of Oda Nobuo for a while. Later in the
Tokugawa period it was given to the Naruse family, and
is still owned by them to this day--it's the only
castle in Japan still owned by a private family.



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All, some time ago I found a web site that has specifically, images of
the major temples and torii around Japan, and now of course I cannot
find it again. Does anyone know of a site like this ?.

Cheers

Rich Turner

Hi Michael,

Sorry to sound so ignorant but can you explain the term "Shussejyo". I
tried looking it up both on-line and in my admittedly tiny dictionary
collection, but sadly with no joy.

Yours in curiosity

Dean

PS: Nate, I had a look at your slide show of the Hojo Godai Matsuri,
pretty cool, and nice to put a face to the sig line, cheers.

> Michael Lorimer <mijalo_jp@...> wrote:

> Then if you're going to Kyoto you could stop at Hamamatsu and see
> the site of Ieyasu's Shussejyo

Thanx. :-)

Edy


Tom Helm <junkmail@...> wrote:http://www.jcastle.info/castle/sunpu.html

Check this out...
-t

On Sep 26, 2004, at 9:05 AM, Edward Alexander wrote:

> Where's exactly Sunpu castle????I'm very curious!!!!!!:-)
>
> Edy
>
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sunpu castle map

http://map.yahoo.co.jp/pl?nl=34.58.33.924&el=138.23.10.302&fi=1&skey=%bd%d9%c9%dc&pref=&kind=

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http://www.jcastle.info/castle/sunpu.html

Check this out...
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> Where's exactly Sunpu castle????I'm very curious!!!!!!:-)
>
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PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR THAT HUGE MISTAKE!!!!I completely forgot that Inuyama-jo is in Owari.I'm mkistaking with another castle.It has a similar name.It's very beautiful Inuyama-jo.I like it vey much.Thank you for correcting me.My mind is in vacation(just finished the 3 month vacation,:-( ).

Edy


Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...> wrote:
--- Edward Alexander <edyhiphop@...> wrote:

> Inuyama-jo was Takeda's castle or am I
> mistaking????Not sure about that.Please tell me.

No, Inuyama-jo was not a Takeda castle. Being as it
was in Owari, it would be hard for them to have
controlled it. Inuyama belonged to quite a few people,
but for most of the later Sengoku it was controlled by
retainers of the Oda. I believe after Nobunaga's death
it was the home of Oda Nobuo for a while. Later in the
Tokugawa period it was given to the Naruse family, and
is still owned by them to this day--it's the only
castle in Japan still owned by a private family.



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To Dean
`Shussejyo` (or Shusse-jo/Shusse-jou) means 'Castle of Promotion', otherwise known as Hamamatsu Castle (or Hikuma-jou). Castles in Japan often have alternate names, for instance;
Bitchu Matsuyama-jyo = Takahashi-jyo
Himeiji-jyo = Shirasagi-jyo (White Heron Castle)
Hiroshima-jyo = Koi-jyo (Carp Castle)
Hope that helps your search
M.Lorimer

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Hi Michael,

Sorry to sound so ignorant but can you explain the term "Shussejyo". I
tried looking it up both on-line and in my admittedly tiny dictionary
collection, but sadly with no joy.

Yours in curiosity

Dean

PS: Nate, I had a look at your slide show of the Hojo Godai Matsuri,
pretty cool, and nice to put a face to the sig line, cheers.

> Michael Lorimer <mijalo_jp@...> wrote:

> Then if you're going to Kyoto you could stop at Hamamatsu and see
> the site of Ieyasu's Shussejyo

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Thanks Michael, illuminating and useful to know.

Yours

Dean


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> To Dean
> `Shussejyo` (or Shusse-jo/Shusse-jou) means 'Castle of Promotion', 
> otherwise known as Hamamatsu Castle (or Hikuma-jou).  Castles in
> Japan often have alternate names, for instance;
> Bitchu Matsuyama-jyo = Takahashi-jyo
> Himeiji-jyo = Shirasagi-jyo (White Heron Castle)
> Hiroshima-jyo = Koi-jyo (Carp Castle)
> Hope that helps your search
> M.Lorimer
>
> Dean Wayland <dean@...> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> Sorry to sound so ignorant but can you explain the term
> "Shussejyo". I
> tried looking it up both on-line and in my admittedly tiny
> dictionary
> collection, but sadly with no joy.
>
> Yours in curiosity
>
> Dean
>
> PS: Nate, I had a look at your slide show of the Hojo Godai
> Matsuri,
> pretty cool, and nice to put a face to the sig line, cheers.
>
> >��� Michael Lorimer <mijalo_jp@...> wrote:
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> Mr. Michael,
>
> A lifetime experience packed in one trip is visiting all the castles

in Japan and other historical sites from the Sengoku
period.Plus,nothing will be complete without a one day trip in a
forest.To be alone with Mother Nature.

>
> Edy
>
> P.S.:That's my kind of a trip to another country.In my

country,visiting all the monasteries and churches is wonderful(in the
north of Romania,where our ancestors built wonderful monasteries.If
someone from this group would like to visit ROmania,we've got lots of
stuff here.Monasteries,tens of castles,beautiful paintings..........Go
to the north especially.)

>
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Lorimer wrote:If you're interested in

Tokugawa Ieyasu, a trip to Nikko would be well worth your time (I only
hope the weather is better than I was there- torrential rainstorms are
not uncommon there). Only two hours by train from Tokyo, it houses
Ieyasu's mausoleum, located in the forest above the very impressive
Toshogu Shrine(which also houses a Kendo dojo where you can view
training).

> If in Tokyo, a trip to Kamakura is a must. Despite the electricity

and telephone cables that dog any modern Japanese townscape, Kamakura
can be a treat with its temples and shrines, at one which (the
Engakuji) you can often see practitioners of Kyudo at work.

> Then if you're going to Kyoto you could stop at Hamamatsu and see

the site of Ieyasu's Shussejyo (although it is again a post-War
reproduction. Hamamatsu is more of interest if you like Japanese
motorbikes though I found.

> Have a good time.
>
> Thomas Davidson wrote:
> I'm about to start planning (again) a 3-week trip to Japan.
>
> I'm interested primarily in Tokugawa Ieyasu (pre-Edo), and Mikawa

(as was)

> in general - say between Sumpu and Gifu (sorry for the old names).

It's more

> 'look n feel' than anything else, although I'm quite aware that

Japan has

> changed and looking for Sengoku Mikawa might be like looking for
> Shakespeare's London ... gone a long time ago.
>
> All this is aid of atmosphere for my Sengoku blockbuster, so a view,

or a

> stretch of the Tokaido as was, or anything that might say 'this is

what it was

> like' is the main intent.
>
> Having said that, festivals are OK, demonstrations are better -

iaido/jutsu the

> best.
>
> So any ideas for packing a lifetime's experience in one trip?
>
> And what time of year is best?
>
> Thomas
>
>
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Yep.But I think you should visit the monasteries here,they're beautiful!!!!(they're awesome!!!).

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> Mr. Michael,
>
> A lifetime experience packed in one trip is visiting all the castles

in Japan and other historical sites from the Sengoku
period.Plus,nothing will be complete without a one day trip in a
forest.To be alone with Mother Nature.

>
> Edy
>
> P.S.:That's my kind of a trip to another country.In my

country,visiting all the monasteries and churches is wonderful(in the
north of Romania,where our ancestors built wonderful monasteries.If
someone from this group would like to visit ROmania,we've got lots of
stuff here.Monasteries,tens of castles,beautiful paintings..........Go
to the north especially.)

>
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Lorimer wrote:If you're interested in

Tokugawa Ieyasu, a trip to Nikko would be well worth your time (I only
hope the weather is better than I was there- torrential rainstorms are
not uncommon there). Only two hours by train from Tokyo, it houses
Ieyasu's mausoleum, located in the forest above the very impressive
Toshogu Shrine(which also houses a Kendo dojo where you can view
training).

> If in Tokyo, a trip to Kamakura is a must. Despite the electricity

and telephone cables that dog any modern Japanese townscape, Kamakura
can be a treat with its temples and shrines, at one which (the
Engakuji) you can often see practitioners of Kyudo at work.

> Then if you're going to Kyoto you could stop at Hamamatsu and see

the site of Ieyasu's Shussejyo (although it is again a post-War
reproduction. Hamamatsu is more of interest if you like Japanese
motorbikes though I found.

> Have a good time.
>
> Thomas Davidson wrote:
> I'm about to start planning (again) a 3-week trip to Japan.
>
> I'm interested primarily in Tokugawa Ieyasu (pre-Edo), and Mikawa

(as was)

> in general - say between Sumpu and Gifu (sorry for the old names).

It's more

> 'look n feel' than anything else, although I'm quite aware that

Japan has

> changed and looking for Sengoku Mikawa might be like looking for
> Shakespeare's London ... gone a long time ago.
>
> All this is aid of atmosphere for my Sengoku blockbuster, so a view,

or a

> stretch of the Tokaido as was, or anything that might say 'this is

what it was

> like' is the main intent.
>
> Having said that, festivals are OK, demonstrations are better -

iaido/jutsu the

> best.
>
> So any ideas for packing a lifetime's experience in one trip?
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> And what time of year is best?
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I know Okubo, Toshimichi(1830�78) was Japanese
statesman and a major figure in the Meiji restoration.
I am trying to find out the names of his parents and
his kids. Maybe what family crest is used. Anything
more on the genealogy side would help me out a lot.
Thanks a bunch.





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On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:04:45 -0700 (PDT), W. Fieldさん wrote:
>
>
>I know Okubo, Toshimichi(1830�8) was Japanese
>statesman and a major figure in the Meiji restoration.
>I am trying to find out the names of his parents and
>his kids. Maybe what family crest is used. Anything
>more on the genealogy side would help me out a lot.
>Thanks a bunch.
>
Okubo Toshimichi 大久保利通
September 26, 1830 - May 14, 1878
(Date of birth was August 10 in the calendar which was in use at the
time)
Given name was Toshinari　利済

Father:
Okubo Jiemon Toshiyo
大久保次右衛門利世

Mother:
Minayoshi Fukuko
皆吉ふく子

Married (1857):
Hayasaki Masuko
早崎満寿子

Children: 5 boys and one girl
利和 Toshikazu, inherited leadership of the family at first; had no
male children
伸顕 Nobuaki; adopted by Makino family; Count Makino Nobuaki
利武 Toshitake; governor of Tottori, Ooita, Saitama, and Oosaka at
various times; took over leadership of the family
利夫 Toshio; fairly unknown; died young
雄熊 Yuukuma; adopted by Toshimichi's sister's husband's family the
Ishihara
芳子: Only daughter; famously comforted her just before being
assassinated by taking her for a horse buggy ride on the day of his
assassination.

Hope that helps a little. Let me know if it brings up follow-up
questions.

--
Jay Kelly
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