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#5445 [2004-08-28 13:28:23]

RE: [samuraihistory] Digest Number 918 - Ghost Dog

by geregjonesmuller

> What I saw in Whittaker's sword work was a man who had
decided he ought to
> practise this, but had no instruction. As I recall, his combat
handgun work
> was rather well done. So the weak sword style seemed a flaw that
was
> consistently in character.

Just keep in mind the character he plays is INSANE, probably
schizophrenic, and is not a "modern Samurai" except in his insanity.


Interesting take on the character.
Insane? I certainly didn't see him as any more insane than anybody else
engaged in that line of work. (That is to say, a soldier for a mob family.)
Which, being a line of work with ancient and honourable feudal antecedents,
would scarcely seem to indicate insanity within the context of bushido -
ancient or modern.
What's your reasoning on this? By what measure is the Whittaker character
insane that would not find, say, the average highly-dedicated hanshi of the
Edo period equally schizophrenic?
Myself, I found admirable the clear-sighted honesty with which he
recognised the growing outcome of the whole little war, and the courage and
integrity with which he faced his own end.

Note that I do not say I find his profession admirable - only the qualities
I specified. I don't choose to be put in the position of defending the
profession of hit-men, but I am always interested in people in the modern
world who are trying to live out the ancient codes. I thought, and think,
that "Ghost Dog" presented that idea far better than most attempts made at
that theme. In a cinematic climate of special effects, gimmicky ninja, bad
swordplay presented as essential martial art, and a very imperfect grasp of
the difference between personal glory and personal honour, "Ghost Dog" stood
out with well-drawn characters who remained true to themselves (for better
or worse) throughout.
So I am most interested in your reasoning on the question of the
character's insanity.
Gereg

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#5446 [2004-08-28 23:02:55]

Re: Digest Number 918 - Ghost Dog

by kitsuno

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Silk Road School"
wrote:

>
> Interesting take on the character.
> Insane? I certainly didn't see him as any more insane than
anybody else
> engaged in that line of work. (That is to say, a soldier for a mob
family.)
> Which, being a line of work with ancient and honourable feudal
antecedents,
> would scarcely seem to indicate insanity within the context of
bushido -
> ancient or modern.
> What's your reasoning on this? By what measure is the
Whittaker character
> insane that would not find, say, the average highly-dedicated
hanshi of the
> Edo period equally schizophrenic?
> Myself, I found admirable the clear-sighted honesty with
which he
> recognised the growing outcome of the whole little war, and the
courage and
> integrity with which he faced his own end.
>
> Note that I do not say I find his profession admirable -
only the qualities
> I specified. I don't choose to be put in the position of defending
the
> profession of hit-men, but I am always interested in people in the
modern
> world who are trying to live out the ancient codes. I thought, and
think,
> that "Ghost Dog" presented that idea far better than most attempts
made at
> that theme. In a cinematic climate of special effects, gimmicky
ninja, bad
> swordplay presented as essential martial art, and a very imperfect
grasp of
> the difference between personal glory and personal honour, "Ghost
Dog" stood
> out with well-drawn characters who remained true to themselves (for
better
> or worse) throughout.
> So I am most interested in your reasoning on the question
of the
> character's insanity.
> Gereg

It just seemed painfully obvious that the main character was
suffering from some form of mental illness and was dillusional. It
has been over a year since I have seen it, but he displayed all sorts
of signs of mental illness. He was solitary and obsessive, incapable
of fitting in to society. "Normal" assassins tend to be sociopaths
who can function in society - watch any Mafia movie. Ghost Dog was
delusional - he structured his reality around the notion
of "Bushido", not as a philosophy of life like any normal person, but
as an obsession. He was not even close to "normal". I liked the
movie as far as movies go, it just seemed to me that he was playing
the part of an insane character.

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