Korea Vs. Japan history

How valid are these points, if at all?

http://www.prkorea.com/english/textbook/mainright.html

*Disclaimer* It's been 13 years since I studied Korean history.

The website seems to have 3 purposes. 1 to promote 1 person's (or small
group's) interpretation of history. Lots of nit-picks on different
interpretations of events. Getting 2 historians from the same culture (much
less historically hostile ones) to agree on anything historical is kind of
like herding cats anyway. 2 an attempt to denigrate all Japanese history
texts because Japan, while having owned up to some of the very negative
aspects of the Pacific war, has refused to simply roll over and paint
themselves as the demons many Koreans and Chinese believe they are. 3 Japan
bashing in general.

I am not defending the revisionist tendencies that DO occur in Japan
textbooks. The Korean page is so obviously slanted in such an anti-japanese
manner it is hard to take any of it seriously. Most Japanese are very
cognizant (sp?) of the many attrocities perpetrated by thier military in the
Pacific War. Teaching children that grandpa was a raping murdering demon is
unacceptable regardless of the wishes of Korea and China.

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I've recently gotten interested in the Japanese invasion of Korea in the
1590s. Does anyone know of a good source for Korean uniforms? I plan on buying
some 15mm Korean miniatures from Eureka Miniatures in Australia and it would be
nice if I could find some colour illustrations of the Korean soldiers so I
know what the miniatures should look like.

Thanks.

Bob Burke

--- burker1@... wrote:

> I've recently gotten interested in the Japanese
> invasion of Korea in the
> 1590s. Does anyone know of a good source for Korean
> uniforms? I plan on buying
> some 15mm Korean miniatures from Eureka Miniatures
> in Australia and it would be
> nice if I could find some colour illustrations of
> the Korean soldiers so I
> know what the miniatures should look like.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob Burke

Bob--

2 sources I'd check, both by Turnbull--his "Samurai
Invasion" is exclusively about Hideyoshi's invasion in
the 1590's, and "Samurai Warriors" has a great color
plate depicting Kato Kiyomasa in action against the
Koreans. If you can find it online, the War Museum in
Seoul has some great exhibits, but not sure if it has
a website. I just tried a quick google, but you may
have better luck. It's worth looking.




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--- burker1@... wrote:

> I've recently gotten interested in the Japanese
> invasion of Korea in the
> 1590s. Does anyone know of a good source for Korean
> uniforms? I plan on buying
> some 15mm Korean miniatures from Eureka Miniatures
> in Australia and it would be
> nice if I could find some colour illustrations of
> the Korean soldiers so I
> know what the miniatures should look like.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob Burke

Bob--

2 sources I'd check, both by Turnbull--his "Samurai
Invasion" is exclusively about Hideyoshi's invasion in
the 1590's, and "Samurai Warriors" has a great color
plate depicting Kato Kiyomasa in action against the
Koreans. If you can find it online, the War Museum in
Seoul has some great exhibits, but not sure if it has
a website. I just tried a quick google, but you may
have better luck. It's worth looking.




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Thanks. I think I have both Turnbull books (I'm still unpacking after moving
so I can't be 100% sure).

I've tried contacting the War Museum in Seoul, but never heard back from them.

Bob Burke


In a message dated 8/15/04 8:42:01 PM, ltdomer98@... writes:

<<
--- burker1@... wrote:

> I've recently gotten interested in the Japanese
> invasion of Korea in the
> 1590s. Does anyone know of a good source for Korean
> uniforms? I plan on buying
> some 15mm Korean miniatures from Eureka Miniatures
> in Australia and it would be
> nice if I could find some colour illustrations of
> the Korean soldiers so I
> know what the miniatures should look like.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob Burke

Bob--

2 sources I'd check, both by Turnbull--his "Samurai
Invasion" is exclusively about Hideyoshi's invasion in
the 1590's, and "Samurai Warriors" has a great color
plate depicting Kato Kiyomasa in action against the
Koreans. If you can find it online, the War Museum in
Seoul has some great exhibits, but not sure if it has
a website. I just tried a quick google, but you may
have better luck. It's worth looking. >>

Dear Bob:
I am sorry to hear that you did not get any responses
from the War Museum in Seoul.
I presume that many people working at the War Museum
received training in the Chinese
Classics(confuciansim, literatures, history, and
military) so that they may not have some who are good
at foreign languages for communications.

Unfortunately, I do not have my personal connection to
any particular groups in South Korea as I intend to
become an American citezen in a due time.

One thing I can suggest is to contact historians and
social scientists in Seould National University,
Yonsei University, Korea University, and several other
primary universities in Seoul. I presume that many of
them studied in the United States, Great Britain,
France, and Germany so that their language skills will
be much better. (at least in writing)
Hopefully, you can find a few of them who are
interested in helping you.

Another option is to check the following website:
http://www.prkorea.com/
They are a civilian group who are interested in
teaching their history to foreigner.

The last tip is to instigate their patriotism for
better responses. Although disorganized, they have
proved to become solid in times of crisis.
Please, let me know if there are any other things I
can do for you in my capacity.





Sincerely,




Changsub Lee


--- burker1@... wrote:

> Thanks. I think I have both Turnbull books (I'm
> still unpacking after moving
> so I can't be 100% sure).
>
> I've tried contacting the War Museum in Seoul, but
> never heard back from them.
>
> Bob Burke
>
>
> In a message dated 8/15/04 8:42:01 PM,
> ltdomer98@... writes:
>
> <<
> --- burker1@... wrote:
>
> > I've recently gotten interested in the Japanese
> > invasion of Korea in the
> > 1590s. Does anyone know of a good source for
> Korean
> > uniforms? I plan on buying
> > some 15mm Korean miniatures from Eureka Miniatures
> > in Australia and it would be
> > nice if I could find some colour illustrations of
> > the Korean soldiers so I
> > know what the miniatures should look like.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Bob Burke
>
> Bob--
>
> 2 sources I'd check, both by Turnbull--his "Samurai
> Invasion" is exclusively about Hideyoshi's invasion
> in
> the 1590's, and "Samurai Warriors" has a great color
> plate depicting Kato Kiyomasa in action against the
> Koreans. If you can find it online, the War Museum
> in
> Seoul has some great exhibits, but not sure if it
> has
> a website. I just tried a quick google, but you may
> have better luck. It's worth looking. >>
>
>

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The Korean page is so obviously slanted

> in such an anti-japanese
> manner it is hard to take any of it seriously.

Teaching children that grandpa was a

> raping murdering demon is
> unacceptable regardless of the wishes of Korea and
> China.

Just one comment:
What you say is not wrong but it is valid only when we
assume that the audience is children with severe math
anxiety and bad composition skills, who had not read
any of Greek Classics and European thougths like Kant,
Hegel, and etc.

I presume that most of people in this group are not in
that category...

So, what is the worry? .,..... for you???


ps. Korea is my past... I will serve the United States
in a due time. So, please, do not misinterpret my
email...


Sincerely,




Changsub Lee



--- Michael Peters <shdwstel@...> wrote:

>
> *Disclaimer* It's been 13 years since I studied
> Korean history.
>
> The website seems to have 3 purposes. 1 to promote
> 1 person's (or small
> group's) interpretation of history. Lots of
> nit-picks on different
> interpretations of events. Getting 2 historians from
> the same culture (much
> less historically hostile ones) to agree on anything
> historical is kind of
> like herding cats anyway. 2 an attempt to denigrate
> all Japanese history
> texts because Japan, while having owned up to some
> of the very negative
> aspects of the Pacific war, has refused to simply
> roll over and paint
> themselves as the demons many Koreans and Chinese
> believe they are. 3 Japan
> bashing in general.
>
> I am not defending the revisionist tendencies that
> DO occur in Japan
> textbooks. The Korean page is so obviously slanted
> in such an anti-japanese
> manner it is hard to take any of it seriously. Most
> Japanese are very
> cognizant (sp?) of the many attrocities perpetrated
> by thier military in the
> Pacific War. Teaching children that grandpa was a
> raping murdering demon is
> unacceptable regardless of the wishes of Korea and
> China.
>
>

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>I presume that most of people in this group are not in
>that category...
>
>So, what is the worry? .,..... for you???
>
>
>ps. Korea is my past... I will serve the United States
>in a due time. So, please, do not misinterpret my
>email...
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
>
> Changsub Lee

Changsub,

With all due respect. The text books they complain about are not books for
*us*. They are the texts for children in Japan. As for most of the medeival/
ancient history points, I'd be far more inclined to believe real cites
rather than attempts to disprove through lack of data. Many koreans have a
severe dislike for Japan (with good reason), but I am as unlikely to pay
much attention to those who try to use history as a stick rather than a
learning tool as those who complain about prime-ministers visiting shrines.
From my Korean history class, I DO remember lots of jockeying for
position/intrigue/fighting between the 3 kingdoms. Would the kingdoms have
banded together to face an outside threat? Possibly, even probably if the
threat were great enough. Would one of the kingdoms use outside troops in a
power play? Probably if they thought the cost benefit ratio were high
enough.

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Dear Michael:
I want to show my respect and appreciation for your
interest and contributions in the Korean history.
I do not deny that there exist bias among the Korean
historians and public in their interpretation and
presentation of records on the historical relations
between Japan and Korea.

However, the establishment of the correlation between
the credibility of the Korean historical references
and the anti-Japanese sentiment among the Korean
public requires more solid logical evidences and
invesitgation.
It could have been much better if you came up with
some specific examples especially in the period of the
Japanese invasion during the Chosun dynasty.
After all, it is a little sensitive area among
Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans.
That's why I have consistently confined myself to
providing sources and information not usually
avaialalbe to some Westerners whenever the issues
involving the Korean history came up with regard to
the Japanese history.

Korea needs many Western people like you as their
friends.....



Sincerely,



Changsub Lee

>
> >I presume that most of people in this group are not
> in
> >that category...
> >
> >So, what is the worry? .,..... for you???
> >
> >
> >ps. Korea is my past... I will serve the United
> States
> >in a due time. So, please, do not misinterpret my
> >email...
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Changsub Lee
>
> Changsub,
>
> With all due respect. The text books they complain
> about are not books for
> *us*. They are the texts for children in Japan. As
> for most of the medeival/
> ancient history points, I'd be far more inclined to
> believe real cites
> rather than attempts to disprove through lack of
> data. Many koreans have a
> severe dislike for Japan (with good reason), but I
> am as unlikely to pay
> much attention to those who try to use history as a
> stick rather than a
> learning tool as those who complain about
> prime-ministers visiting shrines.
> From my Korean history class, I DO remember lots
> of jockeying for
> position/intrigue/fighting between the 3 kingdoms.
> Would the kingdoms have
> banded together to face an outside threat? Possibly,
> even probably if the
> threat were great enough. Would one of the kingdoms
> use outside troops in a
> power play? Probably if they thought the cost
> benefit ratio were high
> enough.
>
> M.J.Peters
>
>

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Dear Changsub,

I'm sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. I appreciate the
advice.

Here are some websites dealing with Korea that you may find interesting:

http://warmemo.co.kr/


http://thomo.coldie.net/modules.php?set_albumName=choson&op=modload&name=gal

lery&file=index&include=view_album.php

Bob Burke


In a message dated 8/16/04 4:40:07 PM, knorr31@... writes:

<<
Dear Bob:
I am sorry to hear that you did not get any responses
from the War Museum in Seoul.
I presume that many people working at the War Museum
received training in the Chinese
Classics(confuciansim, literatures, history, and
military) so that they may not have some who are good
at foreign languages for communications.

Unfortunately, I do not have my personal connection to
any particular groups in South Korea as I intend to
become an American citezen in a due time.

One thing I can suggest is to contact historians and
social scientists in Seould National University,
Yonsei University, Korea University, and several other
primary universities in Seoul. I presume that many of
them studied in the United States, Great Britain,
France, and Germany so that their language skills will
be much better. (at least in writing)
Hopefully, you can find a few of them who are
interested in helping you.

Another option is to check the following website:
http://www.prkorea.com/
They are a civilian group who are interested in
teaching their history to foreigner.

The last tip is to instigate their patriotism for
better responses. Although disorganized, they have
proved to become solid in times of crisis.
Please, let me know if there are any other things I
can do for you in my capacity.





Sincerely,




Changsub Lee


--- burker1@... wrote:

> Thanks. I think I have both Turnbull books (I'm
> still unpacking after moving
> so I can't be 100% sure).
>
> I've tried contacting the War Museum in Seoul, but
> never heard back from them.
>
> Bob Burke
>
>
> In a message dated 8/15/04 8:42:01 PM,
> ltdomer98@... writes:
>
> <<
> --- burker1@... wrote:
>
> > I've recently gotten interested in the Japanese
> > invasion of Korea in the
> > 1590s. Does anyone know of a good source for
> Korean
> > uniforms? I plan on buying
> > some 15mm Korean miniatures from Eureka Miniatures
> > in Australia and it would be
> > nice if I could find some colour illustrations of
> > the Korean soldiers so I
> > know what the miniatures should look like.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Bob Burke
>
> Bob--
>
> 2 sources I'd check, both by Turnbull--his "Samurai
> Invasion" is exclusively about Hideyoshi's invasion
> in
> the 1590's, and "Samurai Warriors" has a great color
> plate depicting Kato Kiyomasa in action against the
> Koreans. If you can find it online, the War Museum
> in
> Seoul has some great exhibits, but not sure if it
> has
> a website. I just tried a quick google, but you may
> have better luck. It's worth looking. >>
>
>

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