I need some lineage info.

Hello,
I am attempting to put together a full family tree ... or one as full as possible with our current information today.
In putting this together on the Takeda clan, I have run into a wall. I know that the Takeda family continued through Takeda Kunitsugu 1551-1592. According to the information I have, he was nephew to Takeda Shingen. The problem I'm having here is that None of Takeda Shingen's brothers had any children that lived, and as far as I can tell, none of them had any sons named Kunitsugu.
The best that I can figure is that Takeda Kunitsugu was from the female half of the line . . . the son of one of the married daughters. I don't know if that works correctly, though. He still bore the name Takeda, and in other societies, a woman married into another family took on the name of that family.
If you have the information I'm looking for, please email me. I very much want to trace the line of the Takedas up to Takeda Kunitsugu, going through Takeda Sokichi and finally Takeda Sakaku and his son Takeda Tokemune.
I also would not mind it if you had some information on the Aizu clan. The house Saigo specifically. Takeda Sakaku, according to the facts I have, was sent to live with Saigo Tanomo during the wars.
Any info you have will be helpful. This is for a martial arts study of Daito ryu. I know that the art passed from Kunitsugu to Soemon, then passed to Sakaku through Saigo Tanomo who had learned it from Takeda Soemon.
Again, any info you have would be helpful.

Thanks,
Alex Frazier


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Hello,

I am new to this group and should perhaps wait to see what happens
with this, but I will throw in my two cents anyway.

What sources have you used so far? Where did the "information that
you have" come from? Can you read Japanese? Modern _and_ Classical?

Be much easier to point you in the right direction with these things
included in your mail (for the newcomers at least).

Cheers,

Shannon




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wrote:

> Hello,
> I am attempting to put together a full family tree ... or one

as full as possible with our current information today.

> In putting this together on the Takeda clan, I have run into a

wall. I know that the Takeda family continued through Takeda
Kunitsugu 1551-1592. According to the information I have, he was
nephew to Takeda Shingen. The problem I'm having here is that None of
Takeda Shingen's brothers had any children that lived, and as far as
I can tell, none of them had any sons named Kunitsugu.

> The best that I can figure is that Takeda Kunitsugu was from

the female half of the line . . . the son of one of the married
daughters. I don't know if that works correctly, though. He still
bore the name Takeda, and in other societies, a woman married into
another family took on the name of that family.

> If you have the information I'm looking for, please email me. I

very much want to trace the line of the Takedas up to Takeda
Kunitsugu, going through Takeda Sokichi and finally Takeda Sakaku and
his son Takeda Tokemune.

> I also would not mind it if you had some information on the

Aizu clan. The house Saigo specifically. Takeda Sakaku, according to
the facts I have, was sent to live with Saigo Tanomo during the wars.

> Any info you have will be helpful. This is for a martial arts

study of Daito ryu. I know that the art passed from Kunitsugu to
Soemon, then passed to Sakaku through Saigo Tanomo who had learned it
from Takeda Soemon.

> Again, any info you have would be helpful.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex Frazier
>
>
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if u guys need lineage then the book by Stephen Turnbull "The Samurai
Sourcebook" would help you guys,its an easy to find book and pretty useful
too. hope it helps you somehow.

I'd skip the middleman altogether, and go strait to Turnbull's
SOURCE - Papinot's "Historical and Geographical Dictonary of Japan"
It's where most of Turnbulls bio's and information came from - he
also faithfully reproduced some of the mistakes... yet doesnt
actually SITE the book in his 'references' section....

CEWest

--- In samuraihistory@egroups.com, Dgaijin@a... wrote:
> if u guys need lineage then the book by Stephen Turnbull "The
Samurai
> Sourcebook" would help you guys,its an easy to find book and pretty
useful
> too. hope it helps you somehow.