Ichijo Fusaie

I was looking over the new ranks and titles section on the samurai
archives page, and noticed that Ichijo Fusaie also received the title
of Kampaku - the title which Hideyoshi is typically known to have
had. I've been searching around, but cant really find any info on
Fusaie or why he also held the title. anyone know?

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "iganokami" wrote:

> I was looking over the new ranks and titles section on the samurai
> archives page, and noticed that Ichijo Fusaie also received the

title

> of Kampaku - the title which Hideyoshi is typically known to have
> had. I've been searching around, but cant really find any info on
> Fusaie or why he also held the title. anyone know?

Although Hideyoshi is the most well known person to receive the
title of Kampaku, it was actually passed down between several houses
in turn in pretty much an unbroken line until Hideyoshi.

The houses of Konoe, Takatsuka, Kujo, Nijo, and Ichijo (offshoots of
the Fujiwara) all held the title, as well as Sessho (the aid to a
child emperor, as opposed to Kampaku, who was the aid to an adult
emperor).

On this page, you'll find a full list of Sessho and Kampaku from 858-
1868 (it's near the bottom):
http://www.friesian.com/sangoku.htm

Ichijo Fusaie is listed under a different name, I think. I can't
verify the accuracy of this list, but the post-Toyotomi Kampaku seem
to stack up with other sources.

iganokami wrote:

> I was looking over the new ranks and titles section on the samurai
> archives page, and noticed that Ichijo Fusaie also received the title
> of Kampaku - the title which Hideyoshi is typically known to have
> had. I've been searching around, but cant really find any info on
> Fusaie or why he also held the title. anyone know?

Kanpaku is not a unique title. It's like asking about Benjamin Harrison having
held the title of president, which Abraham Lincoln is known to have had. Lincoln
wasn't the only one, and neither was Hideyoshi -- not by a long shot.

A kanpaku the regent for an adult emperor (some translate it as Chancellor).
Since the office was instituted the late 9th century, there have been over 200
kanpaku appointmemnts (I was counting, and stopped at 100 when there was at
least another page of small typed names).

Tony
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On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 03:56:58 -0000, iganokamiさん wrote:

>I was looking over the new ranks and titles section on the samurai
>archives page, and noticed that Ichijo Fusaie also received the title
>of Kampaku - the title which Hideyoshi is typically known to have
>had. I've been searching around, but cant really find any info on
>Fusaie or why he also held the title. anyone know?

As others have mentioned there were plenty of people who held
the title of Kanpaku. There were something like 150 who held
the title Kanpaku - and another 50 or so who held the title
Sesshou. The difference between the two titles is that the Kanpaku
"advised" an adult emperor but a Sesshou "advised" an emperor who
had not yet come of age.

I looked up Ichijo Fusaie. It appears that there were 31 members of
the Ichijo family who held the post of Kanpaku or Sesshou. I can't
find a person named Fusaie on the list. Not to say it didn't happen -
but I haven't been able to confirm it for myself after some looking.

Ichjijo Fusaie 一条房家 lived from 1475-1539. His farther Norifusa 教
房 was Kanpaku between 1458-1463. His son Fusamichi 房道 was Kanpaku
between 1545-1548. But it looks like Fusaie himself never held the
post.

For quick reference I used this site:
http://homepage1.nifty.com/gyouseinet/history/sekkanTaiin.htm

Here's another list - I didn't compare the two but Fusaie doesn't
appear on either of them:
http://nekhet.ddo.jp/ruler/japan/sekkan.html

Here is a timeline that includes some information about Fusaie
himself:
http://nx.sakura.ne.jp/~gumi/sengoku/ichijyo/tosanenpu.htm

It looks like his highest rank was "Ken-Dainagon"

--
Jay Kelly
oyakata@...

Oyakata wrote:

> It looks like his highest rank was "Ken-Dainagon"

Actually, that's GON-dainagon. He did reach upper second court rank (rather
remarkable for a retired dainagon) but that's it.

Tony
--

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On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 13:15:35 -0500, Anthony J. Bryantさん wrote:

>Oyakata wrote:
>> It looks like his highest rank was "Ken-Dainagon"

>Actually, that's GON-dainagon.

Thanks - I stand corrected.

--
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oyakata@...

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony J. Bryant"
wrote:

> Kanpaku is not a unique title. It's like asking about Benjamin

Harrison having

> held the title of president, which Abraham Lincoln is known to have

had. Lincoln

> wasn't the only one, and neither was Hideyoshi -- not by a long

shot.

> Tony
> --

Oops, should have made it clear - I meant during the Sengoku period,
not during the entire history of Japan... Meaning, i wasnt aware
that the title had been given out in the 16th century to other than
Hideyoshi and Hidetsugu.

-IgaNoKami

Are you sure? I am at a severe disadvantage of not having a single
book with me, but I am almost (but not quite) certain that I pulled
that out of the Sengoku Bushou Jinmei Jiten (cant even remember if
that is the correct name) - if I'm not mistaken, I think you
mentioned you also had that dictionary... if you could take a look
for me I'd really appreciate it. If it's wrong, I'm glad someone
caught it so I can fix it :P


--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony J. Bryant"
wrote:

> Oyakata wrote:
>
>
> > It looks like his highest rank was "Ken-Dainagon"
>
> Actually, that's GON-dainagon. He did reach upper second court rank

(rather

> remarkable for a retired dainagon) but that's it.
>
> Tony

Kitsuno wrote:

> Are you sure? I am at a severe disadvantage of not having a single
> book with me, but I am almost (but not quite) certain that I pulled
> that out of the Sengoku Bushou Jinmei Jiten (cant even remember if
> that is the correct name) - if I'm not mistaken, I think you
> mentioned you also had that dictionary... if you could take a look
> for me I'd really appreciate it. If it's wrong, I'm glad someone
> caught it so I can fix it :P

Yeah, I just checked his bio in the sengoku jinmei jiten. I think what might
have messed you up is that the first line (and second) identifies him as the
second son of Kanpaku Ichijô Norifusa -- you might have missed the line split
that identifies him as a son rather than the kanpaku itself.

Tony

--

Anthony J. Bryant
Website: http://www.sengokudaimyo.com

Effingham's Heraldic Avatars (...and stuff):
http://www.sengokudaimyo.com/avatarbiz.html

Grand Cross, Order of the Laurel:
http://www.cafepress.com/laurelorder

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony J. Bryant"
wrote:

>
> Yeah, I just checked his bio in the sengoku jinmei jiten. I think

what might

> have messed you up is that the first line (and second) identifies

him as the

> second son of Kanpaku IchijENorifusa -- you might have missed the

line split

> that identifies him as a son rather than the kanpaku itself.
>
> Tony
>

Thanks! Now I just have to get my stuff together and upload the
correction. probably will be a while....