> HIFormerly the confederate CSS Stonewall, and was sold to Japan by the
>
> I was wondering do you have a timer period for this
> iron clad ship
>
> paul
> HIFormerly the confederate CSS Stonewall, and was sold
>
> I was wondering do you have a timer period for this
> iron clad ship
>
> paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Richardson Paul
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Japanese Ironclad
HI
ok its not the one I was thinking of.
I was hoping ou may have been researching the Iron
clad ships of the Kuki from the 1600's
Paul
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wrote:
> HI
>
> I was wondering do you have a timer period for this
> iron clad ship
>
> paul
Formerly the confederate CSS Stonewall, and was sold
to Japan by the
US in August 1867. She was renamed the Azuma in 1871.
Here you go:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/japan/japsh-a/azuma.htm
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richardson Paul
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Japanese Ironclad
HI
ok its not the one I was thinking of.
I was hoping ou may have been researching the Iron
clad ships of the Kuki from the 1600's
Paul
--- naomasa298 <shanesuebsahakarn@...> wrote:
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--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Richardson
Paul
wrote:
> HI
>
> I was wondering do you have a timer period for
this
> iron clad ship
>
> paul
Formerly the confederate CSS Stonewall, and was sold
to Japan by the
US in August 1867. She was renamed the Azuma in
1871.
Here you go:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-fornv/japan/japsh-a/azuma.htm
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--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "Bill M."wrote:
> Matt,
>
> "That is more than I had found thus far. Especially the name
> "Staerkodder." Does that come from the attempt to sell it to
Denmark? I
> was also unaware of the sister ship. I have been having a hard
time finding
> information on this ship. I can only assume it is because I do not
now
> where to look. Woud you be so kind as to tell me where you found
this out?
> My main source of information so far has been on the US Navy
Military
> History site.
> I have an account written by one of the Confederates who served
on her
> during the trans-Atlantic voyage from France to Cuba. I will dig
it up and
> send it to you if you are interested."
>
> All the info was from "Warships of the Imperial Japanese Navy, 1869-
1945" by
> Hansgeorg Jentschura, Dieter Jung, and Peter Mickel. USNI Press
1992.
>
> More info: Ordered for the Confederate States' Navy as the Sphinx;
launched
> 21 June 1864, completed 25 October 1864; bought by Denmark and
renamed
> Staerkodder, after being blockaded in Corunna by Federal warships
Sacramento
> and Niagara the sale was not completed, and she was renamed CSS
Stonewall;
> 1865 surrendered to Federal forces after which she was bought for
the
> Shoguns fleet. You have the rest of the info from this point. A
note of
> interest is that in Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships they
state that
> the reason for the US retaking ownership from the Japanese after
the initial
> purchase was because the Japanese simply did not yet have the
facilities to
> take care of her nor enough experience to crew her. Once the
Japanese were
> ready they once again took possession and that is when she was
renamed
> Kotetsu.
>
> The other source for the above is Conway's All the World's Fighting
Ships
> 1860-1905.
>
> If you want more details as to armament and type of armor
manufacture just
> let me know. Most you have already but there are some differences
between
> Conway's, Jane's and Warship's.
>
> Her sister the Prussian/German Prinz Adalbert: (Source-Conway's
1860-1905
> German section)
>
> Dis: 1535 tons
> Dim: 186' 8" overall, 165' 7" at the waterline, 32'6" beam, 16'6"
draft.
> Mach: 2-shaft HSE, 1200ihp=10kts.
> Armor: Wrought iron, Belt 5", tower 4 ?".
> Armament: 1-120mm, 2-170mm.
> Crew: 130
>
> This ironclad ram originally known as Cheops, was under
construction at
> Bordeaux for the Confederacy, to her builders design, together with
a sister
> ship Stonewall Jackson, later the Japanese Azuma. She was purchased
for the
> Prussian Navy in June 1865, but not put into service until a year
later. She
> was not a particularly good bargain, being a bad seaboat, and the
timbers of
> her composite hull rapidly fell prey to rot. Though the Prussians
replaced
> her original intended armament of three 32pdrs with bigger guns in
the
> five-ported bow position and in the two-gun octagonal citadel abaft
the
> funnel, she could not be considered a particularly powerful ship.
She was
> schooner rigged. She was placed in reserve because of wood rot as
early as
> October 1871, and disarmed in 1875/6.
>
> Gee, it feels good to be able to actually answer something here on
this
> list! ;-)
>
> The first mentioned book is easily available while the older
Conway's are a
> little harder to find. If you are looking to get them let me know
and I will
> point you in the right direction.
>
> Cheers
> Bill M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M. R. Williams [mailto:amacobra@h...]
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 10:15 AM
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [samuraihistory] RE: Japanese Ironclad
>
>
> Bill M.,
>
> That is more than I had found thus far. Especially the name
> "Staerkodder." Does that come from the attempt to sell it to
Denmark? I
> was also unaware of the sister ship. I have been having a hard
time finding
> information on this ship. I can only assume it is because I do not
now
> where to look. Woud you be so kind as to tell me where you found
this out?
> My main source of information so far has been on the US Navy
Military
> History site.
> I have an account written by one of the Confederates who served
on her
> during the trans-Atlantic voyage from France to Cuba. I will dig
it up and
> send it to you if you are interested.
>
>
> Peace,
>
> Matt
>
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