Attn: Jay and Cesare

Gents,

I just uploaded the map from Turnbull. It is in the files section in
a folder called Bill M. Creative ain't I! :-)

If anybody can mark on the map where the Byodo-in is I wouls be
greatly pleased. Any other details you can add would be great as well!

Cheers
Bill M.

--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, Oyakata wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:18:52 -0400, Bill M.､ｵ､� wrote in message

> >Jay,
> >
> >Thanks to you and others for al your help! I will scan the map and
put it in
> >the files section so that you and all who are interested may see
it and
> >offer their opinions and advice. I know that this seems like an
awful lot of
>
> Cool - thanks.
>
> >other time period including the knights of the roundtable! I will
start "The
> >Tale of the Heike" when I finish Turnbull so please be prepared to
put up
> >with more questions as I try to fully learn about and understand
this most
> >fascinating history.
>
> That certainly is a fascinating subject. Unfortunately it's alot
> earlier than my main interest (late Sengoku). I'm not sure how much
> I can offer - although I'm always glad to just chat about stuff.
>
> --
> Jay Kelly
> oyakata@O...

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:35:05 -0000, Bill M.さん wrote in message <cbh65p+6icl@...>

>Gents,
>
>I just uploaded the map from Turnbull. It is in the files section in
>a folder called Bill M. Creative ain't I! :-)

A wonderful piece of brainstorming. :)

>If anybody can mark on the map where the Byodo-in is I wouls be
>greatly pleased. Any other details you can add would be great as well!

I think I see one potential problem. The Turnbull map is a much larger
scale than the maps I've been linking to. The map from the book is
indeed oriented the same way - North is up. But the scal is so much
larger, that Uji appears as just a dot. The maps that I've linked to
recently basically show "inside the dot".

If a person were to mark where the Byou-dou-in is on that Turnbull
map, it would just be a tiny dot inside the circle that is marked
Uji.

Does that make sense?

By the way thanks for going to the effort to scan the map. It makes
the conversation much easier!

--
Jay Kelly
oyakata@...

Jay,

"If a person were to mark where the Byou-dou-in is on that Turnbull
map, it would just be a tiny dot inside the circle that is marked
Uji.

Does that make sense?

By the way thanks for going to the effort to scan the map. It makes
the conversation much easier!"

Yes it makes absolute sense. If you were to read Turnbulls text that goes
with the map it would be more clear as to why I was confused. He states
that the Byou-dou-in lies between Nara and the Uji bridge. Which is true,
but looking at the map you would think that it was located somewhere along
the road running south from the bridge. Thats why the rest of his
description of the battle was hard to follow. You would never know that the
building was within view of the bridge.

Cheers
Bill "The creativity never stops" M.
:-)

Original Message:
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From: Oyakata oyakata@...
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:09:42 -0400
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Attn: Jay and Cesare


On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:35:05 -0000, Bill M.$B$5$s(B wrote in message
<cbh65p+6icl@...>

>Gents,
>
>I just uploaded the map from Turnbull. It is in the files section in
>a folder called Bill M. Creative ain't I! :-)

A wonderful piece of brainstorming. :)

>If anybody can mark on the map where the Byodo-in is I wouls be
>greatly pleased. Any other details you can add would be great as well!

I think I see one potential problem. The Turnbull map is a much larger
scale than the maps I've been linking to. The map from the book is
indeed oriented the same way - North is up. But the scal is so much
larger, that Uji appears as just a dot. The maps that I've linked to
recently basically show "inside the dot".

If a person were to mark where the Byou-dou-in is on that Turnbull
map, it would just be a tiny dot inside the circle that is marked
Uji.

Does that make sense?

By the way thanks for going to the effort to scan the map. It makes
the conversation much easier!

--
Jay Kelly
oyakata@...



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Bill-
One thing to keep in mind is that the holdings of many temples were
considerably larger back in the day, so it is entirely possible that it
did run along the road south of the bridge at one time. Sadly many
great temples and shrines are reduced to just the main buildings on
tracts just big enough to hold them...
-t

> Yes it makes absolute sense. If you were to read Turnbulls text that
> goes
> with the map it would be more clear as to why I was confused. He
> states
> that the Byou-dou-in lies between Nara and the Uji bridge. Which is
> true,
> but looking at the map you would think that it was located somewhere
> along
> the road running south from the bridge. Thats why the rest of his
> description of the battle was hard to follow. You would never know
> that the
> building was within view of the bridge.
>
> Cheers
> Bill "The creativity never stops" M.
> :-)
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Oyakata oyakata@...
> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:09:42 -0400
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Attn: Jay and Cesare
>
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:35:05 -0000, Bill M.$B$5$s(B wrote in message
> <cbh65p+6icl@...>
> >Gents,
> >
> >I just uploaded the map from Turnbull. It is in the files section in
> >a folder called Bill M. Creative ain't I! :-)
>
> A wonderful piece of brainstorming. :)
>
> >If anybody can mark on the map where the Byodo-in is I wouls be
> >greatly pleased. Any other details you can add would be great as
> well!
>
> I think I see one potential problem. The Turnbull map is a much larger
> scale than the maps I've been linking to. The map from the book is
> indeed oriented the same way - North is up. But the scal is so much
> larger, that Uji appears as just a dot. The maps that I've linked to
> recently basically show "inside the dot".
>
> If a person were to mark where the Byou-dou-in is on that Turnbull
> map, it would just be a tiny dot inside the circle that is marked
> Uji.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> By the way thanks for going to the effort to scan the map. It makes
> the conversation much easier!
>
> --
> Jay Kelly
> oyakata@...
>
>
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Tom,

Thanks! This is a great group here.

Cheers
Bill

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From: Tom Helm junkmail@...
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:40:05 -0700
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Attn: Jay and Cesare


Bill-
One thing to keep in mind is that the holdings of many temples were
considerably larger back in the day, so it is entirely possible that it
did run along the road south of the bridge at one time. Sadly many
great temples and shrines are reduced to just the main buildings on
tracts just big enough to hold them...
-t

> Yes it makes absolute sense. If you were to read Turnbulls text that
> goes
> with the map it would be more clear as to why I was confused. He
> states
> that the Byou-dou-in lies between Nara and the Uji bridge. Which is
> true,
> but looking at the map you would think that it was located somewhere
> along
> the road running south from the bridge. Thats why the rest of his
> description of the battle was hard to follow. You would never know
> that the
> building was within view of the bridge.
>
> Cheers
> Bill "The creativity never stops" M.
> :-)
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Oyakata oyakata@...
> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:09:42 -0400
> To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] Attn: Jay and Cesare
>
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:35:05 -0000, Bill M.$B$5$s(B wrote in message
> <cbh65p+6icl@...>
> >Gents,
> >
> >I just uploaded the map from Turnbull. It is in the files section in
> >a folder called Bill M. Creative ain't I! :-)
>
> A wonderful piece of brainstorming. :)
>
> >If anybody can mark on the map where the Byodo-in is I wouls be
> >greatly pleased. Any other details you can add would be great as
> well!
>
> I think I see one potential problem. The Turnbull map is a much larger
> scale than the maps I've been linking to. The map from the book is
> indeed oriented the same way - North is up. But the scal is so much
> larger, that Uji appears as just a dot. The maps that I've linked to
> recently basically show "inside the dot".
>
> If a person were to mark where the Byou-dou-in is on that Turnbull
> map, it would just be a tiny dot inside the circle that is marked
> Uji.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> By the way thanks for going to the effort to scan the map. It makes
> the conversation much easier!
>
> --
> Jay Kelly
> oyakata@...
>
>
>
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