Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)

Hey
I know, it's a stylistic difference and the people who read the book
at the time saw them as enhancements, but when I read "Tale of the Heike", I
ended up not finishing it, the main reason having to stop for all of the titles,
which took away from the enjoyment of the story. But read it for yourself,
and make up your own mind. I will at some point go back to it and wade my
painful way through it. :-) Take care. L8r

Tim


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On Jun 23, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Eponymous13@... wrote:

> Hey
> ������ I know, it's a stylistic difference and the people who read
> the book
> at the time saw them as enhancements, but when I read "Tale of the
> Heike", I
> ended up not finishing it, the main reason having to stop for all of
> the titles,
> which took away from the enjoyment of the story.  But read it for
> yourself,
> and make up your own mind.  I will at some point go back to it and
> wade my
> painful way through it.  :-)  Take care.  L8r
>
> Tim

Did you read Eiji Yoshikawa version (translated) or Helen Mc Cullough's?
cepo



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I think -- *think* -- it was McCollough's. I'm not really sure, b/c it was
about 2 years ago and the book I got was from the University of Massachusetts
(which makes me think it was hers). Which one is better -- and more readily
available for purchase?

Tim


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On Jun 23, 2004, at 5:50 PM, Eponymous13@... wrote:

> I think -- *think* -- it was McCollough's.  I'm not really sure, b/c
> it was
> about 2 years ago and the book I got was from the University of
> Massachusetts
> (which makes me think it was hers).  Which one is better -- and more
> readily
> available for purchase?
>
> Tim

Yoshikawa's reads a bit like a Harry Potter's movie. Very-very light
reading. It's good if you're not in the mood for a challenging reading.
Problem is, it doesn't go all the way to the end... :o(
My edition is a Tuttle paperback. I've seen it at Borders. Regular
price should be $18.-

cepo


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On Jun 23, 2004, at 5:50 PM, Eponymous13@... wrote:

> I think -- *think* -- it was McCollough's.  I'm not really sure, b/c
> it was
> about 2 years ago and the book I got was from the University of
> Massachusetts
> (which makes me think it was hers).  Which one is better -- and more
> readily
> available for purchase?
>
> Tim

Just check on amazon.com: you can read the first 10 pages there.
cepo


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Ok. This leads me to another question: how readily purchase-able is
McCollough's version? (Something like that, I'd rather struggle for the tougher read.
:-D!)

Tim


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Tim,

I don't know for sure what it would cost new. I found the 2 volumes in a
used book store here in Boston for $12.00. I found Yoshitsune for $6.50
hard cover mint condition! I love the book stores in this city.

A little off topic. It is no secret that I am a russo-japanese war fanatic!
The wife would say nut. But I found a copy of "From the Yalu to Port
Arthur" in a second hand book store on Newberry street. It had all the maps
and was in new to mint condition. I paid $12.00 for it. If you look on
Bookfinder or any of the other big search engines like ABE or others you
will see that a VG to Mint copy is worth anywhere between $250.00 to
$350.00. I love a score! If you do a little research and know what you are
looking for the used book stores can be a gold mine.

Cheers
Bill M.
http://www.russojapanesewar.com

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To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


Ok. This leads me to another question: how readily purchase-able is
McCollough's version? (Something like that, I'd rather struggle for the
tougher read.
:-D!)

Tim


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Tim,

If you ever get the chance have a look at a set of books called "The
Romance of the Three Kingdoms." The Chinese were masters of the art of
listing titles and not only titles but the whole family tree of whomever
was important to the story. After reading that book, I say bring it on! I
fear you not! ;-)

Cheers
Bill M.

Original Message:
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From: Eponymous13@...
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:23:41 EDT
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


Hey
I know, it's a stylistic difference and the people who read the book
at the time saw them as enhancements, but when I read "Tale of the Heike",
I
ended up not finishing it, the main reason having to stop for all of the
titles,
which took away from the enjoyment of the story. But read it for yourself,
and make up your own mind. I will at some point go back to it and wade my
painful way through it. :-) Take care. L8r

Tim


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On Jun 24, 2004, at 2:09 AM, billm@... wrote:

> Tim,
>
> I don't know for sure what it would cost new. I found the 2 volumes
> in a
> used book store here in Boston for $12.00. I found Yoshitsune for
> $6.50
> hard cover mint condition! I love the book stores in this city.
>
> A little off topic. It is no secret that I am a russo-japanese war
> fanatic!
> The wife would say nut. But I found a copy of "From the Yalu to Port
> Arthur" in a second hand book store on Newberry street. It had all
> the maps
> and was in new to mint condition. I paid $12.00 for it. If you look on
> Bookfinder or any of the other big search engines like ABE or others
> you
> will see that a VG to Mint copy is worth anywhere between $250.00 to
> $350.00. I love a score! If you do a little research and know what
> you are
> looking for the used book stores can be a gold mine.
>
> Cheers
> Bill M.
> http://www.russojapanesewar.com
>

Still on the same OT note... yeah, Hawaii is great too. Last week I
just dropped by a used bookstore by UH and somebody had just sold a
huge collection of translations of Chinese Classics from the 50es and
60es... they were all mint and for $4.99 each!!! I walked home with two
heavy bags full of books. Oh yeah, to find an old rare book for a good
price is one of the little joys of life... ;o)
cepo


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Quite like a tale, hehehe. I'm about 1/3 and even if englush isn't my
first language, I enjoy it. But I read it occasionally, just for fun, in
hot evenings on my hammock. I don't know about other versions.

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Eponymous13@... [mailto:Eponymous13@...]
Inviato: giovedì 24 giugno 2004 5.58
A: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Oggetto: Re: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)

Ok. This leads me to another question: how readily purchase-able is
McCollough's version? (Something like that, I'd rather struggle for the
tougher read.
:-D!)

Tim

The Romance of the Three Kingdoms is a wonderful story........I'm planning on rereading it as soon as I finish my 47 Ronin.:)

Lee Shackelford

----- Original Message -----
From: billm@...
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


Tim,

If you ever get the chance have a look at a set of books called "The
Romance of the Three Kingdoms." The Chinese were masters of the art of
listing titles and not only titles but the whole family tree of whomever
was important to the story. After reading that book, I say bring it on! I
fear you not! ;-)

Cheers
Bill M.

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Eponymous13@...
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:23:41 EDT
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


Hey
I know, it's a stylistic difference and the people who read the book
at the time saw them as enhancements, but when I read "Tale of the Heike",
I
ended up not finishing it, the main reason having to stop for all of the
titles,
which took away from the enjoyment of the story. But read it for yourself,
and make up your own mind. I will at some point go back to it and wade my
painful way through it. :-) Take care. L8r

Tim


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Tim,

"I'm planning on rereading it as soon as I finish my 47 Ronin.:)"

Another great one! Not to go off topic, but another of the Chinese classics
that I woul suggest getting if you ever spot it is a series of books called
"The Outlaws of the Marsh." Just a great all around action adventure story.
I found it in a small book shop in NY's China town. If you want more
details just let me know.

Cheers
Bill M.

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From: melee melee@...
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:29:49 +0800
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


The Romance of the Three Kingdoms is a wonderful story........I'm planning
on rereading it as soon as I finish my 47 Ronin.:)

Lee Shackelford

----- Original Message -----
From: billm@...
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


Tim,

If you ever get the chance have a look at a set of books called "The
Romance of the Three Kingdoms." The Chinese were masters of the art of
listing titles and not only titles but the whole family tree of whomever
was important to the story. After reading that book, I say bring it on! I
fear you not! ;-)

Cheers
Bill M.

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Eponymous13@...
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:23:41 EDT
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


Hey
I know, it's a stylistic difference and the people who read the
book
at the time saw them as enhancements, but when I read "Tale of the Heike",
I
ended up not finishing it, the main reason having to stop for all of the
titles,
which took away from the enjoyment of the story. But read it for
yourself,
and make up your own mind. I will at some point go back to it and wade
my
painful way through it. :-) Take care. L8r

Tim


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The author of The Outlaws of the Marsh was.....? I love classics, western or otherwise

Lee Shackelford

----- Original Message -----
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To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


Tim,

"I'm planning on rereading it as soon as I finish my 47 Ronin.:)"

Another great one! Not to go off topic, but another of the Chinese classics
that I woul suggest getting if you ever spot it is a series of books called
"The Outlaws of the Marsh." Just a great all around action adventure story.
I found it in a small book shop in NY's China town. If you want more
details just let me know.

Cheers
Bill M.

Original Message:
-----------------
From: melee melee@...
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:29:49 +0800
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


The Romance of the Three Kingdoms is a wonderful story........I'm planning
on rereading it as soon as I finish my 47 Ronin.:)

Lee Shackelford
----- Original Message -----
From: billm@...
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


Tim,

If you ever get the chance have a look at a set of books called "The
Romance of the Three Kingdoms." The Chinese were masters of the art of
listing titles and not only titles but the whole family tree of whomever
was important to the story. After reading that book, I say bring it on! I
fear you not! ;-)

Cheers
Bill M.

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Eponymous13@...
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:23:41 EDT
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


Hey
I know, it's a stylistic difference and the people who read the
book
at the time saw them as enhancements, but when I read "Tale of the Heike",
I
ended up not finishing it, the main reason having to stop for all of the
titles,
which took away from the enjoyment of the story. But read it for
yourself,
and make up your own mind. I will at some point go back to it and wade
my
painful way through it. :-) Take care. L8r

Tim


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--- In samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com, "melee" wrote:

> The author of The Outlaws of the Marsh was.....? I love classics,

western or otherwise

>

Outlaws of the Marsh is otherwise known as "The Water Margin", and
is one of the "four great classics" of Chinese literature, along
with "Romance of the Three Kingdoms", "Journey to the West"
and "Dreams of the Red Chamber".

Both the Water Margin and ROTK were written by Luo Guanzhong,
although the former was co-authored by Shi Nai-an, and were written
in the 14th century AD. JTTW was written later, in the 16th century
by We Ch'eng-en, and DOTRC in the 18th by Cao Xueqin.

Lee,

"Outlaws of the Marsh" by Shi Nai'an and Luo Guanzhong, translated by
Sidney Shapiro. One of China's great classic novels written in the 14th
century covering events during the Song Dynasty. Published in a four volume
boxed set by Foregion Language Press Beijing China.

ISBN 0-8351-2312-X

ISBN 7-119-00703-3

Enjoy
Bill M.

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From: melee melee@...
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:56:17 +0800
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


The author of The Outlaws of the Marsh was.....? I love classics, western
or otherwise

Lee Shackelford

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From: billm@...
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


Tim,

"I'm planning on rereading it as soon as I finish my 47 Ronin.:)"

Another great one! Not to go off topic, but another of the Chinese
classics
that I woul suggest getting if you ever spot it is a series of books
called
"The Outlaws of the Marsh." Just a great all around action adventure
story.
I found it in a small book shop in NY's China town. If you want more
details just let me know.

Cheers
Bill M.

Original Message:
-----------------
From: melee melee@...
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:29:49 +0800
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


The Romance of the Three Kingdoms is a wonderful story........I'm planning
on rereading it as soon as I finish my 47 Ronin.:)

Lee Shackelford
----- Original Message -----
From: billm@...
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


Tim,

If you ever get the chance have a look at a set of books called "The
Romance of the Three Kingdoms." The Chinese were masters of the art of
listing titles and not only titles but the whole family tree of whomever
was important to the story. After reading that book, I say bring it on!
I
fear you not! ;-)

Cheers
Bill M.

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Eponymous13@...
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:23:41 EDT
To: samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Tale of the Heike (was Re: [samuraihistory] Uji-kawa)


Hey
I know, it's a stylistic difference and the people who read the
book
at the time saw them as enhancements, but when I read "Tale of the
Heike",
I
ended up not finishing it, the main reason having to stop for all of the
titles,
which took away from the enjoyment of the story. But read it for
yourself,
and make up your own mind. I will at some point go back to it and wade
my
painful way through it. :-) Take care. L8r

Tim


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On Jun 24, 2004, at 2:29 AM, melee wrote:

> The Romance of the Three Kingdoms is a wonderful story........I'm
> planning on rereading it as soon as I finish my 47 Ronin.:)
>

Which 47 Ronin (author?) are you reading??
cepo


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Hi, John Allyn's book, from Tuttle Publishing

Lee

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On Jun 24, 2004, at 2:29 AM, melee wrote:

> The Romance of the Three Kingdoms is a wonderful story........I'm
> planning on rereading it as soon as I finish my 47 Ronin.:)
>

Which 47 Ronin (author?) are you reading??
cepo


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