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#4405 [2004-05-30 19:00:05]

Horsemen or infantry men???

by shinsongumi

Hello guys!! I have been part of the members for a year but this is the first time i post an email. I have a question about the samurai. In pc games like Age of Empires and Empires: Dawn of the modern world they show samurai as infantry troops. But in the Code of Bushido (which I own) they say that the samurai must put importance in horsemaship. Here is my question:

Are the samurai horsemen that can shoot arrows and use swords from horses or infantry, or both?????

Quauhtli (eagle in Nahuatl language)


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#4406 [2004-05-30 20:18:00]

Re: [samuraihistory] Horsemen or infantry men???

by sengokudaimyo

Quauhtli Olivieri wrote:

> Are the samurai horsemen that can shoot arrows and use swords from horses or
> infantry, or both?????

Let's put it this way: Are army soldiers infantry, or do they ride tanks and fly
helicopters?

The answer is obvious. Some are this, some are that.


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#4423 [2004-05-31 06:23:12]

Re: [samuraihistory] Horsemen or infantry men???

by edyhiphop

Quahti,
I play also Age of Empires.Samurai warriors are both horsemen and infantry men.

Edy

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Hello guys!! I have been part of the members for a year but this is the first time i post an email. I have a question about the samurai. In pc games like Age of Empires and Empires: Dawn of the modern world they show samurai as infantry troops. But in the Code of Bushido (which I own) they say that the samurai must put importance in horsemaship. Here is my question:

Are the samurai horsemen that can shoot arrows and use swords from horses or infantry, or both?????

Quauhtli (eagle in Nahuatl language)


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#4447 [2004-06-03 23:11:57]

Re: Horsemen or infantry men???

by zevlord

They were both:
Three major ranks:

kenin - meaning "housemen". They were the administrators or vassals.
mounted samurai - Only high-ranking samurai warriors were allowed to
fight on horse-back, and then foot soldiers. Sorry can't remember the
Japanese Name's

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#4451 [2004-06-04 04:01:01]

Re: [samuraihistory] Re: Horsemen or infantry men???

by jckelly108

Zev,
From this and your other message I get the sense that you are an avid
student of Japanese history. That's great! One thing to keep in mind
is that we have to think about this topic over a very long period of t
ime. It's very rare to be able to state with 100% confidence that
something is "just so".

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 06:11:57 -0000, zevlordさん wrote in message <c9p3rd+pe4n@...>

>They were both:
Agreed.

>Three major ranks:
Why three? How do you define "major"?

>kenin - meaning "housemen". They were the administrators or vassals.
Kenin had different meanings over a period of some 1000+ years. When
talking about Japanese history we need to be pretty clear exactly
what period we're referring to.

>mounted samurai - Only high-ranking samurai warriors were allowed to
>fight on horse-back, and then foot soldiers. Sorry can't remember the
>Japanese Name's

Mounted samurai is not a "rank". Higher level samurai (who were by
definition rich) might have horses that they fought on from time to
time, or used for transportation.

By foot soldiers I'm sure you mean ashigaru. This we can agree was
usually the lowest rank of samurai or quasi-samurai, across alot of
Japanese history.

There are plenty of other ways to group samurai, and many different
ranks or titles. For instance there is the ritsuryo system where each
title was given a very specific, and numbered, rank. These titles
existed for a thousand years after the ritsuryo system disintigrated.
Obviously the titles were in name only since the risturyo system
itself was gone.

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Jay Kelly
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#4494 [2004-06-06 20:49:31]

Re: Horsemen or infantry men???

by zevlord

Oyakata,
Thank you for the compliment, it is nice to be recognized. I
totally agree with what you said in-regards to thinking about a topic
over a very long period of time, I will definitely keep this in mind.
Once again thanks

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