research

> I Have recently started looking into the samurai
> history and
> culture, being new to this it is all a bit
> overwhelming i was
> wondering if anyone could give me advice on where
> the best place to
> start would be. I am mostly interested in the
> military aspect of
> the samurai but would like to become more familiar
> with their
> culture and way of life. any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> thanks
> nick

> Normally I just give the website
> (www.samurai-archives.com) and tell people to go to
> the recommended reading, and I'll tell you that too.
> But a good base place to start would be two authors:
> our own Anthony J. Bryant (or Tony, to those of us who
> have been abused by him here)

>
> We only abuse those we love. :)
>
> (Gads, does that sound sick or what! :) )
>
> Tony

> --- "Anthony J. Bryant" <ajbryant@...> wrote:
>
>>We only abuse those we love. :)
>>
>>(Gads, does that sound sick or what! :) )
>>
>
> As long as it's a manly, slap you on the back kind of
> love, not a Shingen-Kosaka Masanobu love, or a Ihara
> Saikaku "comradely love"...

> Yeah, I guess a bit of clarification is safest. :)
>
> Tony

> has there been any incidents in the past before when
> a townsman
> beated up a samurai who then lost honor
>
>

> Donvu-
> I am sure there were many instances when a
> townsperson bested a
> Samurai. The Samurai either exacted his revenge or
> kept his mouth shut.
> I doubt there are many such stories recorded
> anywhere though...
> -t

> PS Nate yours is a rare talent, I laughed so hard I
> feel "beated up"
> myself.

----- Original Message -----
From: Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...>
To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] research
To be somewhat serious about this, I'm sure if you
looked through "police files" or whatever records the
local magistrates kept, there would be plenty of
instances where commoners beat up on samurai, and vice
versa. It'd be fairly interesting to see if they
machi-bugyo handled the cases any differently. Where
you'd find any of this in Engish, I have no idea.

> I put "machi-bugyo" into google and got 68 hits -
> notime to look at them but
> others can do it...
>
> Barry Thomas.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nate Ledbetter <ltdomer98@...>
> To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] research
> To be somewhat serious about this, I'm sure if you
> looked through "police files" or whatever records
> the
> local magistrates kept, there would be plenty of
> instances where commoners beat up on samurai, and
> vice
> versa. It'd be fairly interesting to see if they
> machi-bugyo handled the cases any differently. Where
> you'd find any of this in Engish, I have no idea.
>
>

> --- Barry Thomas <warlord@...> wrote:
> > I put "machi-bugyo" into google and got 68 hits -
> > notime to look at them but
> > others can do it...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Helm" <junkmail@...>
To: <samuraihistory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] research


> Donvu-
> I am sure there were many instances when a townsperson bested a
> Samurai. The Samurai either exacted his revenge or kept his mouth shut.
> I doubt there are many such stories recorded anywhere though...
> -t
>
> PS Nate yours is a rare talent, I laughed so hard I feel "beated up"
> myself.

I find his pompous elitism offending, personally.

I admit that the "story" was funny, and I would have laughed heartily under
different circumstances. Unfortunately, the whole "trying to make fun of the
ignorant without them realizing they're being fooled" bent really gets me in
a bad mood. It's tasteless. Sorry, but it is. I know that pop culture brings
a LOT of irritating questions to this particular list (hey, they even annoy
me at times), but it's more productive to either answer the question as best
you can, or just ignore it altogether.

If I had the knowledge, I'd be spending more time trying to educate those
who seem willing and capable of understanding what really happened in
history (as far as we know, anyway). Anyone who isn't willing or able, I'd
simply tune out.

Sally

----- Original Message -----
From: Nate Ledbetter
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [samuraihistory] research


> --- Barry Thomas wrote:
> > I put "machi-bugyo" into google and got 68 hits -
> > notime to look at them but
> > others can do it...


Okay, so I made time, even though, as stated, it was a
HYPOTHETICAL--I'm not the one who brought this up in
the first place.

Out of 64 hits I got on the Google english website, 1
showed some promise. However, it was a link to
Japanese resources, of course:

http://dra.library.ubc.ca/MARION/auth?fmt_limit=&lng_limit=&index=T&key=Ky%E
5oto+Gaikokugo+Daigaku+kenky%E5u+rons%E5o.&limits=

>
> I find his pompous elitism offending, personally.

> I admit that the "story" was funny, and I would have
> laughed heartily under
> different circumstances. Unfortunately, the whole
> "trying to make fun of the
> ignorant without them realizing they're being
> fooled" bent really gets me in
> a bad mood. It's tasteless. Sorry, but it is.

> answer the question as best
> you can, or just ignore it altogether.
>
> If I had the knowledge, I'd be spending more time
> trying to educate those
> who seem willing and capable of understanding what
> really happened in
> history (as far as we know, anyway). Anyone who
> isn't willing or able, I'd
> simply tune out.

>
> > PS Nate yours is a rare talent, I laughed so hard I feel "beated up"
> > myself.
>
> I find his pompous elitism offending, personally.
>

> PS = Dr. Varley gave me an "A" !! Am I pompous or
> what??? :oD

> It was a new word for me so I'll go back and see
> what the English has to
> offer. I imagine the original jikki/nikki (diaries)
> have enough material in
> them for at least a dozen doctorates. I'm thinking
> here too of the
> surviving medieval English coronial enquiries into
> children's deaths. Old
> Henry was wrong, history is fun.
>
> Barry THomas.